"Reversal" of Nuclear Decay in Beta Emitters

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The discussion revolves around the concept of "reversal" of nuclear decay in beta emitters, particularly focusing on the potential for converting protons into neutrons using accelerated electrons. Participants explore the implications of this conversion on subsequent beta decay processes and the energy requirements involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether an accelerated electron of 1.29 MeV can convert a proton into a neutron and whether this would allow the resulting stable isotope to undergo beta decay again with the same energy.
  • Another participant suggests that if the electron beam can induce the reverse reaction, the produced nucleus could indeed undergo beta decay again, contingent on sufficient energy being provided.
  • A third participant clarifies that the process of converting a proton to a neutron requires a neutrino and that the energy involved is typically higher than the minimum of 1.29 MeV, as beta decay energy is determined by the energy difference of nuclear levels.
  • One participant notes that when considering protons in a nucleus, the required energy for conversion can vary, emphasizing the importance of binding energy and that in some cases, there may not be a defined energy threshold.
  • A later reply introduces the theoretical framework of electron capture, highlighting that the weak interaction involved in converting protons to neutrons is not likely to occur frequently, and discusses the factors influencing reaction rates, including particle density and cross-section.
  • This participant also mentions that high-energy electrons are more likely to result in elastic scattering rather than the desired conversion reaction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the energy requirements and the role of neutrinos in the conversion process. There is no consensus on whether the proposed electron-induced conversion can lead to subsequent beta decay or the specifics of the energy thresholds involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of nuclear interactions, including the influence of binding energies and the statistical nature of weak interactions, which may affect the feasibility of the proposed processes.

Aakash Sunkari
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Hello all,

I've got a question on nuclear decay "reversal" in beta emitters.

I've been researching the Cowan-Reines experiment, which used neutrinos to convert protons into neutrons. Recently, I found out that the particle which hits the proton need not necessarily be a neutrino in order to induce a proton-to-neutron conversion. It looks like an energy of 1.29 MeV is enough to convert a proton into a neutron.

That being said, there's a couple of questions that come to mind:

Say that we have a beta emitter which decays to a stable isotope. We use an accelerated electron of 1.29 MeV to convert one of the protons in the nucleus into a neutron.

But does this mean that the isotope will undergo the beta decay again, with the same energy value? Or does there need to be additional energy in order to not just convert a proton to a neutron, but to produce an electron as well?
 
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If you can get the reverse reaction with your electron beam then the produced nucleus can do beta decay again, sure. If your electron beam doesn't provide enough energy for a nuclear reaction then there won't be one.
 
"We use an accelerated electron of 1.29 MeV to convert one of the protons in the nucleus into a neutron."
The process is e +p --> n +neutrino. A neutrino must always be involved. 1.29 MeV is the minimum possible energy, but the actual energy is always higher. Any beta decay energy is determined by the energy difference of two nuclear levels.
 
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If it's a proton in a (non-trivial) nucleus then the required energy can be lower or higher. It's no longer sufficient to treat the proton as isolated particle, the binding energy of the parent and possible daughter nucleus has to be considered. In some cases there is not even an energy threshold.
 
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Hi,

this is the state-of-the-art theoretical framework of electron capture
https://arxiv.org/pdf/nucl-th/0001018.pdf

Converting a proton into a neutron, or viceversa, involves weak interaction. As its own name says, it is not likely to happen. Reaction rate is given by

r = n1 * n2 * <sigma*v>

n1, n2 = density of two interacting particles
<sigma*v> = cross section averaged by Boltzmann distribution (it is a function on the temperature)

If cross-sections is low, you will need huge densities.

Coming back to shooting high energy electrons to nuclei... the most likely interaction will be elastic scattering, which was worth a Nobel prize

https://www.physi.uni-heidelberg.de...ysics/talks/schweiger_structure_of_nuclei.pdf

Regards,
ORF
 

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