Neutrinos with Mass and Traveling at Light Speed: Explained

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of neutrinos, specifically their mass and speed. Participants explore the implications of neutrinos having mass while also traveling at speeds close to that of light, raising questions about the compatibility of these characteristics with the principles of special relativity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how neutrinos can have mass and still travel at the speed of light, suggesting that if they have mass, they should not be able to reach that speed.
  • Another participant clarifies that neutrinos travel at a speed very close to that of light, but not exactly at light speed.
  • Several participants discuss the relativity of velocity, questioning what determines the speed of an object and emphasizing that there is no absolute frame of reference in relativity.
  • One participant mentions that neutrinos are typically emitted at high energies, which allows them to travel close to the speed of light, and speculates about the possibility of "slow" neutrinos under specific conditions.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of using kinetic energy and momentum to analyze the velocity of neutrinos from a specific frame of reference, while noting the importance of the gamma factor in relativistic calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the relationship between mass and velocity in the context of neutrinos, with no consensus reached on how these properties coexist. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of neutrinos having mass while traveling at speeds close to light.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of measuring velocity in relativity, noting the absence of a fixed frame of reference and the need for careful consideration of energy and mass ratios when discussing neutrino speeds.

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Hello, I recently read about neutrinos having mass > 0.
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4862112.stm) , but also they travel at the speed of light. How can it be possible? If they have mass, their mass should increase with the velocity, and at the speed of light according to special relativity they should have an infinite mass.
Can someone explain what this means? Maybe they should travel slower than light?

Thanks.
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Well, they travel at a speed that is very close to the that of light.
 
What decides what velocity a object has since everything is relative?
 
Essentially, the observer decides... relative to himself.
 
Jarle said:
What decides what velocity a object has since everything is relative?
However you measure, it should not be greater than c for a particle with nonzero mass.
 
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but he cannot reach a veloticity "c". so there has to be something that decides the velocity. if he is just below the c level of velocity, another object can't very much faster than that, even though it stands still in his frame. ( if he has the same speed)
 
Jarle said:
but he cannot reach a veloticity "c". so there has to be something that decides the velocity. if he is just below the c level of velocity, another object can't very much faster than that, even though it stands still in his frame. ( if he has the same speed)


Velocity with respect to what? You are writing as if the neutrinos had an ansolute velocity with respect to some fixed frame of reference. But this is relativity; there is no fixed frame nor any absolute velocity, other than c, either. If I see the moving at v, I can be moving at v in the opposite direction at v and the particle be standing still. Or any combination of its velocity and mine that add up to a relative v between us. As long as [tex]\frac{v^2}{c^2} < 1[/tex] it's physically possible.

Now if you say, "regarding my lab frame as being at rest, for the moment, can I work out the physics that determines what velocity I see the neutros travel?" Yes I can, using the kinetic energy and momentum just as for a Newtonian particle, but remembering to make proper use of the gamma multiplier [tex]\gamma = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}}[/tex].
 
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Neutrinos are usually emitted at high energy (several keV to MeV). Their mass, if it exists, is <1eV, so their speed is close to c for any experimental situation on earth.
In principle, it is possible to have "slow" neutrinos emitted from particle beams in the backward direction. The beam must be very energetic because it has to match the ratio neutrino energy/neutrino mass. Those beams are not available yet and it can be doubted that we would detect slow particles in the mess of a collision or similar events.
 

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