Neutron production in (strong) magnetic field?

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The discussion revolves around the production of neutrons in the context of strong magnetic fields, particularly focusing on whether neutron production can occur from bending a beam of fuel nuclei, such as deuterium (D+) or lithium-3 (Li3+), using a bending magnet in an accelerator. The conversation explores the potential mechanisms behind neutron production, including fusion and spallation reactions.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that neutron production cannot occur simply from bending a beam in a magnetic field, as neutrons are typically produced from collisions with targets.
  • One participant suggests that fission or spallation could produce neutrons when a beam hits appropriate targets, such as lead, and mentions the possibility of fusion occurring under certain conditions.
  • Another participant notes that the distinction between spallation and fusion is not always clear-cut, as both can yield similar results, and emphasizes that the bending magnet's role is primarily to influence collision outcomes.
  • A later reply challenges the assumption that neutron production is synonymous with fusion reactions, highlighting that not all neutron production arises from fusion and that various nuclear processes can lead to neutron emission.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of neutron production, with no consensus reached on whether bending a beam in a magnetic field can directly lead to neutron production or if it is solely dependent on collisions with targets.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the specific reactions that could occur when different nuclei collide and the conditions under which fusion or spallation might take place. The discussion also highlights the complexity of categorizing neutron production mechanisms.

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I'm starting a new thread; it's not just about cyclotrons this time. The question is as follows: has anybody ever heard of or read about neutron production (=fusion reactions) when a beam of fuel nuclei, such as D+ or Li3+, is bent by a (strong) magnetic field, such as a bending magnet in an accelerator? The neutron production may not have been attributed to nuclear fusion, but people may rather have thought that it was due to spallation of the nuclei rather than actual fusion reactions.

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Your question seems a little coy and vague. But oh well, onward.

You can't get neutrons just from bending a beam in a magnetic field. You can only get it from collisions. So the beam has to hit something.

When you get that situation there are lots of ways to get neutrons. Fission or spallation are each quite easy to produce. I would have to look up what reactions are easy to produce from these things hitting various targets. But I would guess that you could fairly easily get neutrons to spall out of a lead target with these. If the D's were fast enough and hit either D's or Tritium, you could probably get some fusion, which produces a toasty neutron. Again, I would have to look up what reactions are possible for Li, and what targets you would want.

Lead can certainly spall neutrons when hit with neutrons. I would have to look up what it can do when hit by D or Li. But I'm guessing it can also spall from them. It's annoying because it means lead is not very satisfactory to shield from neutrons, especially if they start hot such as the 14 MeV neutrons you get from fusion of D-T.

At least you can't get neutrons from bending in a magnetic field with any magnetic field humans are currently able to make. I suppose you could contemplate a magnetic field that changed abruptly fast enough to provide enough energy to pull the neutron out of a D. But certainly nothing humans have built can do that.
 
There is no sharp line between spallation and fusion. They can have very similar results, and splitting nuclear reactions in those two categories can be a bit arbitrary.

The bending magnet has nothing to do with it. It can just influence where beam particles can hit other nuclei.
 
Sven Andersson said:
I'm starting a new thread; it's not just about cyclotrons this time. The question is as follows: has anybody ever heard of or read about neutron production (=fusion reactions) when a beam of fuel nuclei, such as D+ or Li3+, is bent by a (strong) magnetic field, such as a bending magnet in an accelerator? The neutron production may not have been attributed to nuclear fusion, but people may rather have thought that it was due to spallation of the nuclei rather than actual fusion reactions.

S.A.

It's worth noting that the equality

Sven Andersson said:
neutron production (=fusion reactions) .

is not particularly true. For a couple of reasons: Not all neutron production is from fusion reactions (e.g. 9Be direct breakup, 9Be -> α + α +n) and not all fusion reactions result in neutron evaporation, or only neutron evaporation (e.g. fusion-fission, or fusion at low excitations resulting in a CN with excitations ~< 9 MeV, or fusion of light systems, which can result in p,α evaporation).
 
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