Never Changed My Router Password - Got Attacked?

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The discussion revolves around concerns regarding potential hacking of a home router due to not changing the default password. Participants explore the implications of this oversight, the symptoms of slow internet performance, and various troubleshooting steps and security measures.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern about having not changed their router password and wonders if this could have led to hacking, given their recent slow internet performance.
  • Another participant suggests changing the password immediately, while questioning if bandwidth usage might be causing the slow connection.
  • Some participants note that default passwords are generally public and discuss the likelihood of being hacked, suggesting that most vulnerabilities require user interaction.
  • There are recommendations to investigate environmental factors affecting internet speed, such as proximity to the router and testing with different devices.
  • One participant raises a question about whether a hacker could see changes made to the router settings if it had been compromised.
  • Concerns are raised about the possibility of malware on the user's devices, including the potential presence of keyloggers.
  • Participants discuss the remote likelihood of being targeted for data theft, suggesting that most attacks are not aimed at average users.
  • Advice is given on checking router firmware for signs of tampering and the importance of running antivirus scans on connected devices.
  • Some participants suggest that if trust in the device is lost, a complete system wipe may be necessary for peace of mind.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of changing default passwords and the need for security measures. However, there are multiple competing views regarding the likelihood of being hacked and the specific causes of the slow internet performance, leaving the discussion unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various factors that could contribute to slow internet speeds, including ISP throttling, environmental issues, and potential malware, but do not reach a consensus on the primary cause.

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I know you're supposed to change your router password from the default one you get when you sign up for Verizon Fios.

I didn't.

This was four months ago. The past three weeks my IPAD has been operating very slowly and can't seem to play media very well (either doesn't load or takes literally 5-10 minutes just to load - not even play yet), such as YouTube vids.

Could I have been hacked from someone who knew or found out my router password? I've read online that it's pretty easy to find someone's default router password (not sure why that is...does Verizon literally just list it?).

Wondering what I should do now.
 
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Uh change your password now to eliminate it from the mix as this may not be the problem. Have you been using a lot of bandwidth where your ISP has throttled your connection?

You could call them to see what's the deal. I had a problem like this once and it was due to a modem swap that Time Warner wanted to complete. SInce I never saw the message, things just started to slow down.
 
jedishrfu said:
Uh change your password now to eliminate it from the mix as this may not be the problem. Have you been using a lot of bandwidth where your ISP has throttled your connection?

You could call them to see what's the deal. I had a problem like this once and it was due to a modem swap that Time Warner wanted to complete. SInce I never saw the message, things just started to slow down.

Not using a lot of bandwidth, but did visit a shady website as well (on top of the router password issue).
 
kyphysics said:
I know you're supposed to change your router password from the default one you get when you sign up for Verizon Fios.

I didn't.

This was four months ago. The past three weeks my IPAD has been operating very slowly and can't seem to play media very well (either doesn't load or takes literally 5-10 minutes just to load - not even play yet), such as YouTube vids.

Could I have been hacked from someone who knew or found out my router password? I've read online that it's pretty easy to find someone's default router password (not sure why that is...does Verizon literally just list it?).

Wondering what I should do now.

Default passwords are public, that's the point of a default password, if you lose the documentation you received with the device, then you shouldn't be locked out forever. You reset the device and use the default password to log in and do the setup again and then change the password.

It is possible that someone may have attacked your router, however I do not believe it is very likely. A lot of these routers almost never get patched or updated so when a vulnerability is discovered, it doesn't get fixed. But most of these vulnerabilities cannot be exploited without some user interaction. You generally need to browse to a malicious website first that will run the code to exploit the vulnerability. Not only that, the exploit needs to be crafted for your type of modem/router.

It's doable but generally not worth the effort to hack some random joe, especially given the consequences if you are caught.

That said, make sure you take jedishrfu's advice and change the default passwords/wifi password to something that is at least 10 characters long. More = Better.

If i was you, i'd first investigate if this was an environmental issue or not. Try moving around the house, get close to your router and see if the speed gets better. Try different devices, a PC that's connected with a wire instead of wifi, another device like a phone, etc. This will help you narrow down what the issue is. If the issue is occurring with all the devices you have, wire or wireless, then it's time to call your ISP. There maybe a hardware issue with the router that's causing it, or maybe the signal strength (if you have cable) has gone down for some reason.

Take your ipad to your friends place and then test to see how it behaves there. If it's slow there too, them maybe the problem is the ipad itself.

Right now, there's a tonne of different things that can be causing your slowdowns. Narrow them down first and then you'll have a better idea of how to proceed on this issue.
 
Could always try powering the router off (30 secs) then on..
 
quick question (on the run - got to watch that Hillary vs. Trump debate!:biggrin:) guys:

If someone DID hack my router and I change my router ID and password, would they be able to SEE me doing so?

I was just thinking that if I had been hacked and that user "planted" something into my computer or using some other means, then they could possibly know what I was changing my router into to...Is that a possibility?

Thanks for everyone's help! I appreciate the answers and will try to check some stuff out.
 
You could have been hacked, regardless if they had access to your router or not. Depending, if any, malware is on your computer there may be a keylogger. What security software do you use? And if you have it, have you done a scan? (I am assuming you have more than just an iPad.)
 
kyphysics said:
quick question (on the run - got to watch that Hillary vs. Trump debate!:biggrin:) guys:

If someone DID hack my router and I change my router ID and password, would they be able to SEE me doing so?

I was just thinking that if I had been hacked and that user "planted" something into my computer or using some other means, then they could possibly know what I was changing my router into to...Is that a possibility?

Thanks for everyone's help! I appreciate the answers and will try to check some stuff out.
The chances of this are extremely remote. You have to remember, for someone to want to steal your data, they have to first believe that your data is worth stealing. The vast majority of us are not worth the effort.

At best, if someone did compromise your system, it would have been a bot that configured your router be part of a bot network to take part in DDOS attacks which are often used as a means to grind a large business to a halt and then ask for a ransom in exchange to stop the attack. I do not believe you need to really be concerned in terms of someone stealing your information. But again, to compromise routers, the attack has to be specially crafted for your type of router. It's much more beneficial to attack computer systems instead.

That said, you can check to see if your router has been tampered with. You'll need to look at the technical manual for your device to find out how to check the firmware that's installed (size/version/date installed/etc) and compare those values to see if it's changed from what the router is supposed to have. For example, if you notice that the firmware was updated 3 weeks ago, or the firmware size is larger by a couple KB than it's supposed to be, then maybe it's time to call your ISP and ask if changes had been recently made to your device. If not, then request a replacement as you no longer trust your device.

As Stevie suggested, install a reputable antivirus on your computer system (mcafee/norton/etc.) and then run full system scans.
I ran a pentest a couple weeks back on one of my windows 7 VMs that was running norton antivrus. Most of the common obfuscation techniques used to defeat AV programs did not work. So norton, at least, came a long way.

If these scans don't turn up anything, then you're most likely okay. Not a 100% guarantee but most likely. If you genuinely do not trust your computer systems, then the only way to achieve a reasonable level of confidence is to wipe (format/reinstall) the operating system. Even this is not a guarantee but someone would have to be very specifically interested in you for this to be a concern. For the average person, a wipe is enough to ensure that the system is clean. This applies to both a PC as well as a mobile device like a phone or tablet.
 

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