New paper gravitomagnetism explains dark matter effects

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the implications of a paper by G. O. Ludwig (2021) that proposes gravitomagnetism as an explanation for galaxy rotation curves, potentially eliminating the need for dark matter. Participants explore the validity of gravitomagnetic effects within the framework of General Relativity (GR) and their applicability to astrophysical phenomena.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that gravitomagnetism could explain galaxy rotation effects without invoking dark matter, likening it to Modified Newtonian Dynamics (MOND).
  • Others note that while the basic idea of gravitomagnetic effects is valid and predicted by GR, the accuracy of the paper's estimates for their magnitude in rotating disk-shaped galaxies is uncertain and requires further verification by researchers.
  • One participant questions whether gravitomagnetic effects are always attractive like gravity, leading to a clarification that these effects are not as straightforward as merely modifying a central force.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability and implications of gravitomagnetism in explaining galaxy rotation, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made in the paper and the need for further validation of the proposed estimates. The complexity of gravitomagnetic effects compared to ordinary magnetism is also highlighted.

kodama
Messages
1,083
Reaction score
144
TL;DR
Models of galactic rotation curves built of a general relativistic framework could use gravitomagnetism to explain the effects of dark matter
I'm not sure if this paper belongs in GR or astrophysics but

This articleG. O. Ludwig (2021), Galactic Rotation Curve and Dark Matter According to Gravitomagnetism, European Physical Journal C 81:186, DOI 10.1140/epjc/s10052-021-08967-3

there's no need for dark matter,as GR's Gravitomagnetism could explain galaxy rotation effects, similar in spirit to MOND, but using just plain GR.

could GR experts weigh in on this
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: ohwilleke and Dale
Physics news on Phys.org
The basic idea of gravitomagnetic effects is valid; GR does predict them. The question is whether the paper's estimate of their magnitude for a rotating disk-shaped galaxy is correct. I think it will take some time for other researchers to check the work.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: ohwilleke and vanhees71
PeterDonis said:
The basic idea of gravitomagnetic effects is valid; GR does predict them. The question is whether the paper's estimate of their magnitude for a rotating disk-shaped galaxy is correct. I think it will take some time for other researchers to check the work.

is gravitomagnetic effects always attractive like gravity, and therefore add up?
 
kodama said:
is gravitomagnetic effects always attractive like gravity

No. The effects in general are not as simple as just changing the magnitude of a central force. (That is also true of ordinary magnetism.)
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: ohwilleke

Similar threads

  • · Replies 22 ·
Replies
22
Views
4K
  • · Replies 264 ·
9
Replies
264
Views
23K
  • · Replies 40 ·
2
Replies
40
Views
6K
  • · Replies 29 ·
Replies
29
Views
4K
  • · Replies 72 ·
3
Replies
72
Views
10K
  • · Replies 20 ·
Replies
20
Views
4K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
5K
  • · Replies 31 ·
2
Replies
31
Views
9K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
3K