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The discussion centers on a paper regarding a four-dimensional SU(5) grand unified theory (GUT) that proposes a model where protons remain stable, diverging from traditional GUTs that predict proton decay. The conversation explores the implications of this theory, its construction, and its potential significance in high-energy physics.

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  • Some participants highlight the significance of constructing a GUT without proton decay, suggesting that this could lead to new avenues in high-energy physics.
  • One participant notes that the model fulfills current experimental constraints without requiring fine-tuning, which could be a notable advancement.
  • Another participant shares detailed breakdowns of the irreducible representations (irreps) of the model, indicating a technical exploration of the theory's structure.
  • There is mention of the potential for testing various GUTs as lower limits on proton mean life increase, suggesting a dynamic area of research.
  • Participants discuss the implications of the model's parameters and the relationships required for proton stability, indicating a complex interplay of theoretical constructs.

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Participants express interest in the paper's implications, but there is no consensus on the significance or the broader impact of the proposed model. Multiple viewpoints regarding the model's validity and potential remain present.

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The discussion includes complex technical details about the model's structure, including specific irreps and their breakdowns, which may not be fully resolved or universally understood among participants.

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SU(5) Unification without Proton Decay
Bartosz Fornal, Benjamin Grinstein
(Submitted on 26 Jun 2017 (v1), last revised 13 Nov 2017 (this version, v2))
We construct a four-dimensional SU(5) grand unified theory in which the proton is stable. The Standard Model leptons reside in the 5 and 10 irreps of SU(5), whereas the quarks live in the 40 and 50 irreps. The SU(5) gauge symmetry is broken by the vacuum expectation values of the scalar 24 and 75 irreps. All non-Standard Model fields are heavy. Stability of the proton requires three relations between the parameters of the model to hold. However, abandoning the requirement of absolute proton stability, the model fulfills current experimental constraints without fine-tuning.
Comments: 5 pages; v2: accepted by Physical Review Letters
Subjects: High Energy Physics - Phenomenology (hep-ph); High Energy Physics - Theory (hep-th)
Cite as: arXiv:1706.08535 [hep-ph]
(or arXiv:1706.08535v2 [hep-ph] for this version)

with some reviews and quotes by particle HEP physicists that its promising. a modification of SU(5) GUT, without SUSY, that makes protons stable.
 
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Good catch.
 
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ohwilleke said:
Good catch.

what do you think is the significance of this paper's theory? SU(5) GUT without proton decay or SUSY?
 
That it's possible to construct a GUT with a simple gauge group that does not have proton decay. Lower limits on the proton's mean life are getting high enough to be able to test various GUT's.

I decided to put my Semisimple Lie Algebras software to work to see what is plausible. I'll give the highest-weight values of the irreps and also their Standard-Model breakdowns as (QCD,WIS,WHC).
Leptons:
5 - (1,0,0,0) - (3*,1,1/3) + (1,2,-1/2)
10 - (0,1,0,0) - (3,1,2/3) + (3*,2,-1/6) + (1,1,-1)
10* - (0,0,1,0) - (3*,1,-2/3) + (3,2,1/6) + (1,1,1)
5* - (0,0,0,1) - (3/1,-1/3) + (1,2,1/2)
Right-handed neutrinos are Standard-Model and SU(5) singlets.
Quarks:
40 - (1,1,0,0) - (8,1,1) + (6*,2,1/6) + (3,2,1/6) + (3*,3,-2/3) + (3*,1,-2/3) + (1,2,-3/2)
40* - (0,0,1,1) - (8,1,-1) + (6,2,-1/6) + (3*,2,-1/6) + (3,3,2/3) + (3,1,2/3) + (1,2,3/2)
50 - (0,2,0,0) - (6*,3,-1/3) + (6,1,4/3) + (8,2,1/2) + (3*,2,-7/6) + (3,1,-1/3) + (1,1,-2)
50* - (0,0,2,0) - (6,3,1/3) + (6*,1,-4/3) + (8,2,-1/2) + (3,2,7/6) + (3*,1,1/3) + (1,1,2)
Scalars:
24 - (1,0,0,1) - (8,1,0) + (1,3,0) + (1,1,0) + (3*,2,5/6) + (3,2,-5/6)
75 - (0,1,1,0) - (8,3,0) + (8,1,0) + (1,1,0) + (6*,2,-5/6) + (6,2,5/6) + (3*,2,5/6) + (3,2,-5/6) + (3*,1,-5/3) + (3,1,5/3)

Thus, 5: left-handed lepton, 10: right-handed electron, 40: left-handed quark, right-handed up, 50: right-handed down, along with oodles of other particles that get GUT-scale masses from symmetry breaking.

Checking on a (fermion).(fermion).(scalar) sort of coupling, I find that all of them couple with the 24, and that all but the 5 couple with the 75.
 

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