Newtonian vs Einsteinian gravity in everday life?

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The discussion revolves around the comparison between Newtonian and Einsteinian gravity, particularly in the context of everyday experiences and practical applications. Participants explore the validity and applicability of both theories in various scenarios, including simple examples like an apple falling from a tree and more complex situations involving space exploration and GPS technology.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether Newton's concept of gravity is entirely invalidated by Einstein's theory of general relativity, particularly in everyday situations.
  • Another participant asserts that Newton's theory serves as a good approximation for gravity, while Einstein's theory provides a more accurate description, especially in complex scenarios.
  • It is noted that Newtonian gravity is often sufficient for practical calculations, such as those used in the Apollo missions, while general relativity is necessary for precision in applications like GPS navigation.
  • Some participants emphasize that both theories are models that make predictions, and while Newtonian gravity is easier to compute, general relativity can describe the same phenomena, albeit with more complexity.
  • There is a recognition that general relativity is required in certain extreme cases, such as black holes, where Newtonian gravity fails.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that both Newtonian and Einsteinian gravity have their places in physics, with Newtonian gravity being a useful approximation in many everyday situations. However, there is no consensus on the extent to which one theory invalidates the other, and the discussion reflects a range of perspectives on their applicability.

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The discussion highlights the limitations of each theory in different contexts, such as the need for precision in GPS navigation and the failure of Newtonian gravity in extreme conditions like black holes. However, these limitations are not fully resolved within the conversation.

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Let me begin by saying I'm not a student of any kind of physics, I just have a general curiosity about the forces at work in the universe, so for most of the people reading this, my question will probably seem either stupid or strangely obvious!

Anyway, my question is this:
My understanding is Einstein's theory of general relativity basically proved Newton wrong with regard to his universal law of gravitation, but does that mean gravity in the Newtonian sense doesn't exist at all, and that all gravitational attraction between objects is due to curvature in space-time caused by those objects? Even when considering something basic (an apple) falling from some altitude (the branch of a tree) onto the earth?

Or is Einstein's formulation more appropriate when dealing with massive objects like stars and planets, while Newton's idea holds true on smaller scales like people and apples?
 
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Newton's theory is a very good approximate description of gravity. Einstein's theory (General Relativity) is more accurate and does provide a theoretical underpinning.

For most calculations Newton's theory works fine - the Apollo mission as well as most space exploration uses it.

A practical example where G.R. is needed is GPS navigation.
 
We don't know how the gravity really works. We don't know how anything really works. All we have are models that make predictions that we can test. As mathman pointed out, Newtonian Gravity gives you satisfactory approximations in most practical situations. Being far easier to compute, Newtonian Gravity is usually used. But General Relativity is perfectly adequate for describing all the same things. Yes, you can easily describe apple's fall from the tree with Einstein's equations as motion caused by curvature of space-time. It's not even all that hard. But still, way more involved than same computation done according to Newton.

The reason we use Einstein's formulation to compute effects of gravity is because either Newtonian formalism doesn't provide sufficient precision (e.g. GPS navigation) or because it fails completely (e.g black holes). In other cases, we usually use Newtonian formalism because it's easier. But not because GR cannot be used. It always can be.
 
Ah I see! Thank you both, I believe that answers my questions, for the time being at least.
I can tell these forums will be of great use to me in future!
 

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