Newton's Law of Cooling and other Models

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around Newton's Law of Cooling and its limitations, particularly in the context of first-order differential equations. Participants explore the breakdown of this law as the temperature of an object approaches the ambient temperature and inquire about alternative models or approximations that may not have this limitation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Lee questions whether there are mathematical models that do not break down as temperatures converge, seeking alternatives to Newton's Law of Cooling.
  • Lee also asks if there are newer models of cooling that remain valid when the object's temperature reaches the ambient temperature.
  • Some participants reference external resources on heat transfer and the heat equation, suggesting that these topics are typically covered in advanced mechanical engineering courses.
  • Lee expresses interest in the heat equation and raises a question about the convergence toward equilibrium in this context, mentioning one-parameter semigroups theory as a potential area of exploration.
  • Another participant notes that introductory differential equations courses often focus on mathematical methods rather than applications, indicating a gap in practical application discussions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to have varying levels of understanding and interest in the application of differential equations to real-world problems. There is no consensus on the existence of alternative models that do not break down, and the discussion remains open-ended regarding the applicability of the heat equation and related theories.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the breakdown of Newton's Law of Cooling occurs as temperatures converge, but they do not provide specific alternative models or solutions. The discussion reflects a range of familiarity with advanced concepts, such as one-parameter semigroups theory, which may not be fully understood by all participants.

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Hello,

In my Differential Equations class we are learning about modelling with first order differential equations. We learned that Newton's Law of Cooling breaks down when the temperature of the object is approaching the temperature of the room its in. You eventually get to a point where you have

0 = e^x

or some variation of that, where of course there is no solution. This leads me to a few questions.

1.) Are there mathematical models that don't break down, i.e maybe they aren't perfect but they are still a good approximation and

2.) Have we come up with a newer model of cooling that does not break down at the point were the object temperature reaches the ambient temperature?

Thanks for your time,

-Lee
 
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UltrafastPED said:
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_transfer
and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_equation

Heat transfer is often taught as a senior level course in mechanical engineering.

I was able to understand some of that material. It actually got me more excited about my differential equations course to know that I am working toward such cool stuff as the heat equation.

It seemed that the convergence toward equilibrium is still a problem in the heat equation but is dealt with by one-parameter semigroups theory? This is way over my head but is that a correct assessment? Thanks for the relpy,

-Lee
 
They usually don't go into applications in the beginning differential equations class because it takes too much time to properly motivate each problem ... thus they keep it to the mathematics, and just teach the methods.

You will start using differential equations in your upper level courses, especially physics and engineering.

If you are a math major they may offer a course on the theory of ordinary differential equations; you may enjoy this; it would be a senior level or beginning graduate level course.
 

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