Newton's Method/Trapezoidal Rule

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The discussion revolves around applying Newton's Method and the Trapezoidal Rule to a problem involving a demand curve modeled by a specific equation. Participants are tasked with estimating the sales level when the selling price is $16 and calculating the consumer surplus at that level.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the need for an initial guess for Newton's Method and question the value of the demand function at x = 0. There are attempts to clarify the setup of the problem and the formulation of the function to be solved.

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Some participants have provided guidance on finding an initial guess and have discussed the formulation of the function for Newton's Method. There is an exploration of scaling the problem for easier computation, with different approaches being considered without a clear consensus on the best method.

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Participants note that the problem requires careful consideration of the initial conditions and the transformation of variables to simplify calculations. There is an emphasis on the importance of correctly setting up the equations involved.

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My professor had asked that I solve the follwing problem using Newton's Method and the Trapezoidal Rule:

"A company modeled the demand curve for its product (in dollars) by the equation

p = (800000e^(- x / 5000)) / (x + 20000).

Use Newton's Method to estimate the sales level (x I'm pretty sure) when the selling price is $16. Then find the approximate consumer surplus for this level."

I'm currently stuck on how Newton's Method is meant to find x when p = 16.

The derivative of p is:

- (160e^(- x / 5000) * (x + 25000)) / (x + 20000) ^ 2
 
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johnhuntsman said:
My professor had asked that I solve the follwing problem using Newton's Method and the Trapezoidal Rule:

"A company modeled the demand curve for its product (in dollars) by the equation

p = (800000e^(- x / 5000)) / (x + 20000).

Use Newton's Method to estimate the sales level (x I'm pretty sure) when the selling price is $16. Then find the approximate consumer surplus for this level."

I'm currently stuck on how Newton's Method is meant to find x when p = 16.

The derivative of p is:

- (160e^(- x / 5000) * (x + 25000)) / (x + 20000) ^ 2


To get Newton's Method started, you need an initial guess for x.
What is the value of p when x is zero? If this is close to 16, this value of x might be a good initial guess for Newton's method. What is the initial error in p for this value of x? What is the Newton Method formula?
 
Chestermiller said:
To get Newton's Method started, you need an initial guess for x.
What is the value of p when x is zero? If this is close to 16, this value of x might be a good initial guess for Newton's method. What is the initial error in p for this value of x? What is the Newton Method formula?

x is never equal to zero. That's the thing. Unless I'm mistaken.

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=y+=+(800000e^(-x/5000))/(x+20000)
 
p = 40 when x = 0
 
johnhuntsman said:
p = 40 when x = 0

Good. Now, the problem you are trying to solve is:

f(x) = (800000e^(- x / 5000)) / (x + 20000) -16 =0

Your initial guess is x =0, and at x = 0, f(x) = 40 -16 = 34

Your Newton method equation is:

xn+1 = xn-f(xn)/f '(xn)

with x1 =0 and f(x1)= 34

Now find f ' (x1) , and then x2

If that's not close enough to satisfy f(x) = 0, do another iteration.
 
I see now what to do now. Thanks bunches : D
 
johnhuntsman said:
My professor had asked that I solve the follwing problem using Newton's Method and the Trapezoidal Rule:

"A company modeled the demand curve for its product (in dollars) by the equation

p = (800000e^(- x / 5000)) / (x + 20000).

Use Newton's Method to estimate the sales level (x I'm pretty sure) when the selling price is $16. Then find the approximate consumer surplus for this level."

I'm currently stuck on how Newton's Method is meant to find x when p = 16.

The derivative of p is:

- (160e^(- x / 5000) * (x + 25000)) / (x + 20000) ^ 2

In problems of this type it is always a good idea to "scale" the problem properly (even if you use a computer!). Instead of x it would be better to use, say y = x/5000, so your equation becomes p = 800,000 exp(-y)/(5000 y + 20,000) = 160*exp(-y)/(y+4).

Now, for p = 16 you need to solve 10*exp(-y) = y+4, or 10*exp(y)-y-4 = 0. Using f(y) = 10*exp(-y) - y - 4 instead of 160*exp(-y)/(y+4)-16 is a lot easier in Newton's method, since the derivative is a lot easier.

RGV
 

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