Newton's Third Law: Action & Reaction Along the Line Connecting Two Objects

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The discussion centers on Newton's Third Law of Motion, specifically its applicability and validity in various contexts, including electromagnetism and forces acting along the line connecting two objects. Participants explore whether the law holds universally or if there are exceptions, particularly in cases involving magnetic forces and electromagnetic radiation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that Newton's Third Law states that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction, but question its universal applicability.
  • One participant mentions that the law may fail when forces do not act along the line connecting objects or when forces depend on particle velocities, such as in magnetic interactions.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that in the case of a current-carrying wire and a magnetic pole, forces appear equal and opposite but do not act along the same line, suggesting a potential for propulsion if forces were unequal.
  • A later reply discusses that in electromagnetism, the law's failure is not due to the direction of forces but because momentum is carried by electromagnetic fields, complicating the discussion of forces.
  • Some participants argue that electromagnetic radiation does carry momentum and can exert forces, which may lead to misconceptions about momentum conservation in electromagnetism.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of Newton's Third Law, particularly in the context of electromagnetism and forces not acting along a direct line. There is no consensus on whether the law is universally applicable or if exceptions exist.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the role of electromagnetic fields and radiation in relation to Newton's Third Law, indicating that assumptions about force direction and momentum conservation may not hold in all scenarios.

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Is this law always true or not?
Newton's Third Law: Action & Reaction
His third law states that for every action (force) in nature there is an equal and opposite reaction. If object A exerts a force on object B, object B also exerts an equal and opposite force on object A. In other words, forces result from interactions.(NASA.gov)

Can we assert that this law is universally applicable and always true? Shouldn't the forces between objects act along the line that connects them?
I think I read in a book that Newton's Third Law fails when forces do not act along the line connecting the objects, or when the force depends on particle velocities, such as in the case of magnetic forces. But I'm not sure if it's true or not because one of my professors said that in such cases weak form of the law is valid.
 
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You are right. It is also expressed as law of momentum conservation.
 
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If we have have a current-carrying wire and a nearby magnetic pole, the forces on the wire and the magnetic pole seem to be equal and in opposite directions but not on the same line i.e. we have a turning moment. It strikes me that if force and reaction are in any circumstances unequal, we will have a means of propulsion through space, which seems implausible.
 
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MatinSAR said:
TL;DR Summary: Is this law always true or not?

Newton's Third Law: Action & Reaction
His third law states that for every action (force) in nature there is an equal and opposite reaction. If object A exerts a force on object B, object B also exerts an equal and opposite force on object A. In other words, forces result from interactions.(NASA.gov)

Can we assert that this law is universally applicable and always true? Shouldn't the forces between objects act along the line that connects them?
I think I read in a book that Newton's Third Law fails when forces do not act along the line connecting the objects, or when the force depends on particle velocities, such as in the case of magnetic forces. But I'm not sure if it's true or not because one of my professors said that in such cases weak form of the law is valid.
As far as I can recall Newton's 3rd law fails in "naively" electromagnetism not because the force is not directed in the line between the two particles but because there is "force" carried by the electromagnetic fields. What I mean is that Newton's third law was for a long time equivalent to conservation of momentum. However when dealing with electrodynamics, momentum is carried by the field so it is not that easy to speak of particular forces anymore.

Example, consider two particles held in place separated by a distance ##d##. Now take away one of the charges, as you move the charge away it creates electromagnetic waves. These EM waves reach the other particle, this particle that is still at its original place feels all kind of forces, but in the meantime the other particle is gone.
 
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I don't think there is an issue surrounding EM radiation, as we know it has momentum and we get a force when emitting the energy and when the waves strike suitable objects.
 
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I don't think there is an issue surrounding EM radiation, as we know it has momentum and we get a force when emitting the energy and when the waves strike suitable objects.
Indeed that's what I said, if you do not know that EM carries momentum/force then you might be led naively to think that electromagnetism violates momentum conservation.
 
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