Next Language: Java, C, or C++?

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The discussion revolves around the sequence in which a beginner should learn programming languages, specifically Java, C, and C++. Participants share their opinions on the merits and drawbacks of starting with each language, considering factors such as object-oriented programming, syntax familiarity, and the relevance of learning foundational languages.

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  • Some participants suggest starting with C due to its foundational role in programming and its influence on other languages like C++ and Java.
  • Others argue against starting with C, stating that learning C may require "unlearning" concepts when transitioning to C++ and Java, particularly regarding pointers.
  • A few participants emphasize the importance of learning programming concepts over specific languages, advocating for a focus on algorithms and data structures instead.
  • Some participants propose that learning another language, such as Scala, could be beneficial due to its modern features and paradigms.
  • There are differing views on whether C or C++ is more relevant to learn first, with some asserting that C++ is easier and more widely used.
  • Concerns are raised about the complexity of C and C++ as first languages, particularly regarding memory management and programming paradigms.

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Participants express multiple competing views on the best language to learn first, with no consensus reached on a single approach. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal sequence of learning Java, C, or C++.

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Participants highlight the historical context of programming languages and their pedagogical implications, noting that the choice of language may depend on individual learning goals and career aspirations.

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Individuals interested in learning programming languages, particularly those transitioning from Python to other languages, may find this discussion relevant.

  • #31
jedishrfu said:
Well, Taligent OS was coded in C++. Unfortunately, it never made it out in the wild except as a reference platform for developers after Apple pulled out of the project.

That isn't exactly what I would call "popular".
 
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And windows

That is the dominant OS where I come from. Mac users are frowned upon for only using one button,

Oh. another advantage is that c++ is on the dot net framework so it will run on Xboxes, windows an windows phone. c++ also goes straight to the cpu or something (I heard it works a lot faster because of this).
 
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  • #33
Superposed_Cat said:
And windows

Which version of Windows is coded in C++? What is the source of your information?
 
  • #34
Superposed_Cat said:
Oh. another advantage is that c++ is on the dot net framework so it will run on Xboxes, windows an windows phone. c++ also goes straight to the cpu or something (I heard it works a lot faster because of this).

While there is a non-standard version of C++ that works on top of the .net CLI, that is not true of the standard C++.

Standard C++ compilers do typically generate machine code, even though the GNU compiler also supports a virtual machine.
 
  • #35
Thread closed. There is far too much misinformation in this thread as of late, and the discussion has verged very far from the original topic.
 
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