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The discussion revolves around proving that the countable closed topology on an infinite set X is indeed a topology. Participants are exploring the definitions and properties of countable sets and the axioms that define a topology.

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  • Participants are discussing the necessary axioms for a topology, questioning which axioms are problematic, and clarifying the meaning of countable subsets. There are inquiries about the nature of open and closed sets in this context.

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Some guidance has been provided regarding the axioms that need to be satisfied for the topology, and examples of countable subsets have been shared to aid understanding. Participants are actively engaging with the definitions and attempting to clarify their understanding of the problem.

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Let X be any infinite set. The countable closed topology is defined to be the topology having as its closed sets X and all countable subsets of X. Prove that this is indeed a topology on X.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 
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Hi judelaw! :smile:

What have you already tried to solve this? For being a topology, you need to satisfy three axioms, which ones? And which ones are troubling you?
 
haha, like all of them?

I'm not really sure what countable subsets of X means. I sort of understand the definition of countable (exists a bijection between it and the set of natural numbers?), but I don't really know how to relate that to this problem.
 
First of all, what are the open sets in this (soon to be proved) topology?

1) Is the empty set an open set? Is X an open set?
2) Is a union of open sets an open set?
3) Is a finite intersection of open sets an open set?

or equivalently:

1) is the empty set and X closed sets?
2) Is a finite union of closed sets a closed set?
4) Is an intersection of closed sets a closed set?

Being countable means to be either finite or in bijection with the natural numbers. Any subset of a countable set is countable.
 
Well a subset of X is indeed countable if there exists a bijection between the subset and the naturals, or if the subset is finite.

Maybe some examples will help you: in \mathbb{R}, we have the following countable subsets: \mathbb{N}, \mathbb{Q}, {1,3,5,7,9,11,...}. While [0,1] or \mathbb{R}^+ are not countable.

So, what are the axioms that the closed sets must satisfy? Well, the first one is that the empty set and X are both closed. Can you show this?
 
Ah okay. I got it! I misunderstood "countable subsets. "

Thank you micromass and disregardthat!

And I just found a new website to frequent. :biggrin:
 

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