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The discussion revolves around calculating the electric potential in a region above a grounded conducting surface, given a point charge and an additional charge. The context involves the method of images in electrostatics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to use the method of images to derive the potential, but expresses uncertainty about the complexity of the resulting expression for the total potential.
  • Some participants question the necessity of the complexity in the final expression and suggest that it differs from typical textbook solutions.
  • Others note the importance of the mirror image method in ensuring boundary conditions are met.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the implications of the method of images and the nature of the resulting potential expression. There is recognition of the complexity involved, and some guidance has been provided regarding the physical boundary conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the expectation of a detailed answer despite the complexity, and there is an acknowledgment of the original poster's level of experience in physics.

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Homework Statement


The z = 0 plane is a grounded conducting surface. A point charge q is at (0,0,a), and charge 4q at (0,-2a,a).
Calculate the potential in the region z > 0.

Homework Equations


V=∑kq/r

The Attempt at a Solution


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Use the method of images.

V1 = kq/r+ + kq/r-
V1=kq(1/sqrt(x^2 +y^2 + (z-a)^2) - 1/sqrt(x^2 +y^2 + (z+a)^2)

V2=4kq/r+ + 4kq/r-
V2 = 4kq(1/sqrt(x^2 + (y+2a)^2 + (z-a)^2) - 1/sqrt(x^2+(y+2a)^2 + (z+a)^2))

Vtotal=ΣV=V1+V2
Vtotal=4kq(1/sqrt(x^2 + (y+2a)^2 + (z-a)^2) - 1/sqrt(x^2+(y+2a)^2 + (z+a)^2)) + kq(1/sqrt(x^2 +y^2 + (z-a)^2) - 1/sqrt(x^2 +y^2 + (z+a)^2)

Is this the correct answer?
 
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BvU said:
PF isn't for stamp-approving homework. The answer to your question can be obtained from your teacher: hand it in.
Or is there another reason you ask: have doubt at some point ? Tell us.

I have doubts as the value for Vtotal seems unnecessarily complex and there is nothing in the final expression that can simplify. The solution appears much different from the usual form we see in an electric potential problem.
 
blizzardof96 said:
unnecessarily complex
I see. Lots of textbook exercises have compact and elegant answers, I agree. Somewhat unrealistic, I must warn you.

In this case you have four terms from the four contributing charges (two real, two image). The mirror image method ensures the physical boundary conditions are met ( V=0 at z=0 and ##\vec E \perp (z=0)## ) and that's about all there is to be said.

At large distances ( ##|\vec r| >> a## ) your configuration should give a dipole field, but here you are clearly expected to give the full detailed answer you worked out.
 
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BvU said:
I see. Lots of textbook exercises have compact and elegant answers, I agree. Somewhat unrealistic, I must warn you.

In this case you have four terms from the four contributing charges (two real, two image). The mirror image method ensures the physical boundary conditions are met ( V=0 at z=0 and ##\vec E \perp (z=0)## ) and that's about all there is to be said.

At large distances ( ##|\vec r| >> a## ) your configuration should give a dipole field, but here you are clearly expected to give the full detailed answer you worked out.

Thank you. As a third year undergrad with less physics knowledge than yourself I appreciate it.
 

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