No signal of my normaliser, Western blot

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The discussion revolves around troubleshooting issues related to the detection of beta-actin as a normalizer in Western blot experiments. Participants explore potential reasons for the absence of beta-actin signals after stripping filters, including antibody performance, sample variability, and the effects of the stripping process itself.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant reports that after stripping filters, some wells did not show beta-actin signals, questioning whether this indicates a loading problem.
  • Another participant suggests that the issue could stem from the detection method, the stripping process, or variability in beta-actin levels across samples, emphasizing the importance of selecting a reliable control for normalization.
  • It is proposed that the participant should first check the stripping step or the antibody's performance by detecting beta-actin before probing for the target protein.
  • A suggestion is made to perform a dilution series with the antibody to find the optimal dilution for the experiment.
  • One participant questions the stripping buffer used, specifically asking about the use of glycine at pH 3, and expresses reluctance to strip for actin detection unless necessary.
  • The original poster shares an experience where stripping caused a loss of signals, including the molecular weight marker, but later managed to recover the signals after reprobing with beta-actin.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness and necessity of the stripping process, as well as the reliability of beta-actin as a normalizer. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to troubleshoot the issue.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention potential limitations in the stripping process and the need for careful selection of controls, but do not resolve the specific causes of the observed issues.

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Dear everybody,

Please help me out.

I am doing an experiment where i use B actin as the normalizer. The problem is after i have stripped the filters then some of the wells did not have the B actin signals. Even if the intensity of the target protein in that well had the same strength as the others, so this could not be a loading problem, could it? What is wrong? I bought the mouse monoclonal antibody against human B actin from Santa Cruz Biotechnology, Inc. Has anyone used this before? I used 500X dilution. Should i reduce the dilution factor? Do you know any well known manufacturers for selling good antibody against human B actin?

Thanks!
 
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I don't know if there's a problem with your beta-actin detection method (anything from a bad antibody to a bad method), a problem with damaging/washing off the beta-actin when you strip the antibody off, or if your samples are truly variable in the amount of beta-actin in them (this is why you need to choose the control carefully for normalizing; you could be loading unevenly or there could be variation in beta actin in your samples, which would indicate it's not a good protein to normalize to in your experiments).

The first place I'd check is whether it's in the stripping step or antibody. Try detecting beta-actin first, before the other protein of interest, and see if you still get the variation. If you do, it's not the stripping but something else, but if you don't have the same problem, then you need to troubleshoot your stripping step.

The other thing you can do, and should have started with, is a dilution series with your antibody to determine the optimal dilution for your system. If you're detecting your protein in some lanes but not others, then I wouldn't suspect the antibody.

Have you confirmed that you're running the gels an appropriate time and with proper acrylamide content to detect both your protein and the beta actin? Could your beta actin still be trapped in the loading gel (especially considering your other post asking about uneven running of gels)?
 
what are you using as a stripping buffer? glycine at pH 3?

personally, i would not strip to detect the actin unless you absolutely have to.
 
Thanks for the replies.

I have experienced that after stripping then one of my filters lost all of the signals even the MW marker. I wonder if stripping can do this as a side effect? Yesterday i stripped again and then reprobed with B actin and this time i have got the signals back. Have you experienced this?

Thanks again!
 

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