Noether currents for a complex scalar field and a Fermion field

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The discussion focuses on the comparison of Noether currents for a complex scalar field and a fermion field, examining the implications of the presence or absence of derivative terms in their respective currents. The scope includes theoretical aspects of field theory and the relationship between Lagrangian formulations and conserved quantities.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the Lagrangian densities and conserved currents for both a complex scalar field and a fermion field, noting the presence of a derivative term in the scalar field's current but not in the fermion field's current.
  • Another participant points out that the equations of motion for the two fields differ, implying that this may affect the nature of the currents.
  • A participant emphasizes that the comparison is formal and questions whether any significant physical insights can be drawn from the difference in currents.
  • One participant explains that the equations of motion for scalar fields involve second-order derivatives, leading to first-order derivatives in the associated currents, while the Dirac equation is first-order in both time and spatial derivatives, resulting in no additional differentiation in the current.
  • This participant suggests that understanding the relationship between the form of conserved currents and the equations of motion may provide intuition for the Lagrangian formalism and the derivation of equations of motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the differences in the currents provide meaningful insights into the physics of the fields. While some suggest that the structure of the currents reflects the nature of the equations of motion, others question the significance of these observations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the implications of the differences in currents, nor does it clarify the extent to which these differences may inform physical understanding. Assumptions about the relevance of the currents to the dynamics of the fields remain unexamined.

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For a complex scalar field, the lagrangian density and the associated conserved current are given by:

$$ \mathcal{L} = \partial^\mu \psi^\dagger \partial_\mu \psi -m^2 \psi^\dagger \psi $$
$$J^{\mu} = i \left[ (\partial^\mu \psi^\dagger ) \psi - (\partial^\mu \psi ) \psi^\dagger \right] $$
whereas for a fermion field, results are:
$$ \mathcal{L} = \bar \psi ( i \gamma^\mu \partial_\mu -m ) \psi $$
$$J^{\mu} = \bar \psi \gamma^\mu \psi $$

In the former case, a derivative of ## \psi ## appears in the Noether current and not in the latter. Apart from the technical aspect, does this difference tell us anything about the physics of these situations ?
 
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What situation?

Well the equation of motion would be different.
 
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My question is only a formal comparison between the two currents: the presence of a derivative term in one case and its absence in the other intrigues me (although its demonstration from the Lagrangian is straightforward). But perhaps there is no lesson to be learned.
 
For a scalar field, the equations of motion involve second-order derivatives with respect to time & spatial variables - hence the corresponding current contains the "one-order-less" derivatives (i.e., first-order differentiation).

Observe, for example, that the (spatial) current corresponding to the ordinary Schrödinger equation contains gradient operators while the equation itself involves a Laplacian. The important difference is that the Schrödinger equation is of first-order in the time derivatives, which is not the case for the equations of motion of the scalar field.

The Dirac equation on the other hand is of first-order in both the time & spatial derivatives, hence the corresponding current does not involve any additional differentiation. So as regards to the question
Sandglass said:
(...) does this difference tell us anything about the physics of these situations ?
I would say that one can infer about the character of the relevant equations of motion by looking at the expressions for the associated conserved currents. This is of some importance, since the dynamics of the fields are encoded in the solutions of the corresponding equations of motion.

Perhaps looking at it this way can help build some intuition for working with/teaching the Lagrangian formalism of field theories, or deriving/justifying the form of the equations of motion "the other way around".
 
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