Non conservative force of a wave on a surfer

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The problem involves a surfer moving down a wave, starting with an initial speed and reaching a higher speed while experiencing a change in vertical height. The focus is on calculating the work done by non-conservative forces, specifically the wave, given the changes in kinetic and potential energy.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of work done by non-conservative forces, questioning the relationship between changes in kinetic and potential energy. There is an exploration of the discrepancy between calculated energy changes and the expected work done by the wave.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively analyzing the energy changes involved in the surfer's motion. Some have provided calculations for kinetic and potential energy changes, while others are questioning how these relate to the work done by the wave. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet, but the discussion is progressing towards understanding the energy dynamics at play.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of non-conservative forces and how they relate to the energy changes observed in the surfer's motion. There is an acknowledgment of the need to reconcile the differences in energy calculations.

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Homework Statement



A surfer is catching a wave. Suppose she starts at the top of the wave with a speed of 1.93 m/s and moves down the wave until her speed reaches 12.3 m/s. The drop in her vertical height is 2.95 m. If her mass is 72.3 kg, how much work is done by the (non-conservative) force of the wave?

Homework Equations



Wnc = Ef-E0
Wnc = .5mvf^2 + mghf - (.5mv0^2 + mgh0)

The Attempt at a Solution



Wnc = .5*72.3*12.3^2 + 72.3*-9.8*0 - (.5*72.3*1.93^2 + 72.3*-9.8*2.95)
.5*72.3*12.3^2 - (.5*72.3*1.93^2 + 72.3*-9.8*2.95)
5469.1335 - (134.66 + (-2090.19))
= 7424.66 J

This should become negative because the non conservative force is opposing displacement (since the surfer is moving down the wave). However, this answer is not correct. What should be changed?
 
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Increasing velocity from 1.93 m/s to 12.3 m/s represents a change in kinetic energy of 5334.5 J

And the change in height of 2.95 m represents a change in grav. potential energy of only 2092 J.

So from where does the extra energy/work come?
 
The wave, I suppose... so do I take the total of those two and subtract the number I found?
 
Well the difference in change in kinetic energy and change in potential energy is 3242.5J and presumably that is work done by the wave.
 

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