Conservation of energy/Finding maximum height

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The discussion centers on calculating the maximum height a 28-kg rock reaches on a hill sloped at 40 degrees, using energy conservation principles. The initial speed of the rock is 15 m/s, with coefficients of static and kinetic friction at 0.75 and 0.20, respectively. Key equations include the conservation of energy formula and work done by friction, but the inclusion of static friction in energy calculations is incorrect as it does no work. The final calculated height of 22.18m is disputed due to errors in the application of energy conservation and friction work terms.

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Homework Statement


A 28-kg rock approaches the foot of a hill with a speed of 15 m/s. This hill slopes upward at a constant angle of 40.0∘ above the horizontal. The coefficients of static and kinetic friction between the hill and the rock are 0.75 and 0.20, respectively.

a)Use energy conservation to find the maximum height above the foot of the hill reached by the rock.

Homework Equations


Conservation of energy for this problem is: PEi + KEi + Workstatic friction = PEf + KEf + Workkinetic friction

Wfriction = μmgcos(Φ)

Friction force = μmg

The Attempt at a Solution


m=28kg
vi=15m/s
Φ=40°
μs=0.75
μk=0.20

fs=0.75mgcos(Φ)
fk=0.20mgcos(Φ)

Wfs=.75mgcos(Φ)*s*cos(180)
Wfk=0.20mgcos(Φ)*s*cos(180)

plug all known variables into my equation for conservation of energy:

(.5)(28)(152)+(28)(9.8)(0)+(0.75)(28)(9.8)(cos(40))*s*(-1) = (.5)(28)(02)+(28)(9.8)(hf)+(0.20)(28)(9.8)(cos(40))*s*(-1)

which equals:

3375J - 157.65*s = 274.4*hf - 42.041*s

Then i tried to find s which is the displacement vector by doing Newton's second law

ΣF= max = wx - fk

28a = 28*9.8*sin(40°) - 0.2*28*9.8*cos(40)

28a = 134.34

a = 4.80m/s2

Then i used vf2 = v22 + 2ad, where d would be my s vector

02 = 152 + 2(4.80)d
d = -225/9.6 = -23.43 which i made positive because i just wanted the magnitude.

But then my final answer is hf = 22.18m, which isn't correct.
 
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You have contradictory work equations ... one says ##W=\mu mg \cos\theta## and the other says ##W=\mu mg \cos\theta s \cos\theta##
You say "s" is the displacement vector - but you have not defined it.
You have a statement for work against static friction ... shouldn't this be zero?
 
You should consider doing more of your work symbolically rather than plugging in numbers right away. Besides being a pain for others to follow what numbers correspond to which quantities to check the logic, it often means a lot more work since many times things will cancel out along the way when symbolic expressions are simplified. Rounding calculations along the way also introduces rounding/truncation errors and can affect your significant figures as they accumulate.

I noticed that you included a term for static friction in your energy conservation equation. Static friction does no work, since it only exists when the object is not moving. So it shouldn't be part of your energy conservation considerations.

I also noticed that you abandoned the energy conservation approach after reducing the expression to an equation with s and hf. Why? You could have expressed s in terms of hf (since they're related by trig thanks to the constant slope of the hill) and solved for hf.

I suggest that you revisit your energy conservation equation. Start by spelling out the terms symbolically. You should find that the mass at least can be canceled out.
 

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