Non constant acceleration due to one constant force, and one non constant force

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a constant force of gravity and a non-constant force from a rocket. The original poster is trying to understand how to integrate the equations of motion when acceleration is not constant due to the forces acting on the rocket.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to set up the equations of motion but expresses uncertainty about how to proceed with integration. Some participants introduce the concept of mass loss in rockets and its impact on force calculations, while others suggest exploring differential equations as a method to solve the problem.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing insights into the complexities of rocket motion and the need for proper definitions of force. Guidance has been offered regarding the formulation of differential equations, and there is acknowledgment of the limitations of the initial approach presented by the original poster.

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There is mention of missing information in the original textbook, which has led to some confusion for the original poster. The discussion also highlights the need to consider the behavior of the rocket after fuel exhaustion, which introduces additional complexity to the problem.

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Homework Statement


This is actually related to another https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=531596"
basically, I have a Constance force of gravity, and a non constant force of a rocket going the opposite way.

the net force would be something like F(booster) -Force(gravity). Assumed (-) direction, and Force(booster) is smaller. I know when acceleration isn't constant we have to integrate the equation.



Homework Equations


a = dx/dt


The Attempt at a Solution



a=( F(booster)- F(gravity) )/m

a=( F(booster)- mg) )/m

but I'm not sure how i should go about integrating this mess.
 
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Hi there...
This is a tad more complex than you put it.
A rocket, in your case has to have a constant rate of ejection of its gases, let's call it, u;
Now, recall the proper definition of a force; You're right to state that F=ma, when the mass is constant, but in our case, our rocket propels upwards, and in doing that it loses its fuel, therefore, F has to be taken as: [itex]\large \vec{F}=\frac{d\vec{p}}{dt}=-mg, p = m(t)\cdot\vec{v}[/itex]
Loss of mass means: m = m_0-u*t;
Differentiating:
[itex]\large \vec{F}= \frac{d}{dt}m(t)\vec{v}(t) = \frac{dm}{dt}v(t)+m(t)\cdot\frac{d\vec{v}}{dt} = -uv+ma=mg[/itex]
Assuming motion only on the vertical axis, which we'll call y, we get a very pleasant differential equation:
-uy'+(m_0+ut)*y'' = (m0-ut)g;
That you can solve, either by exponential substitution, or, simply through this:
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=-u*y'[t]+++(m0+-+u*t)*y''[t]+==+(m0-u*t)*g"
But you probably know better(feel free to ask about the technique of resolution to be employed here, if you care to do this manually).
Don't forget to specify your initial conditions,
Daniel
 
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Also, note that this solution does not account for what happens after all the fuel is exhausted. So its only valid till t=m_0/u; afterwards, standard projectile motion with an initial velocity laws apply...
Daniel
 
Thanks this helps a lot more than the lack of info in my text!

And yes, my book doesn't have any of that in it. I'm "Supposed to figure that out"
 
Glad to be of service,
Do you know how to slove such differential equations? It might be worth your while to learn, if you're in the mood?
Daniel
 

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