Non line of sight position sensor/ detector

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the feasibility of developing a non-line-of-sight position sensor or detector that can locate a small transmitter/receiver embedded in human bone. The application involves detecting the position of this device through various layers of tissue and bone.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the constraints for the sensor/detector (A), including size requirements for the transmitter/receiver (B) and the need for it to work through human tissue and bone.
  • Another participant argues that the proposed detection method is impossible due to the requirement of multiple reference points for accurate positioning in 2D and 3D, suggesting that handheld devices typically lack this capability.
  • A suggestion is made to explore existing devices like stud/wire/pipe/rebar locators, which use multiple positioning to achieve depth and position measurements.
  • Another participant mentions the potential use of RFID tags in related medical applications as a possible avenue for exploration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of the proposed detection system, with one asserting that it is impossible under the given constraints while others suggest alternative technologies that may be applicable.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the technical challenges associated with the proposed sensor/detector, including the limitations of current technologies and the assumptions regarding the detection environment.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals involved in biomedical engineering, medical device development, or those researching non-invasive detection technologies.

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Hi,

I am looking for a sensor/ detector (A) which could perform the following:

constrain: transmitter/ receiver (B) size must be small so that it can be inserted in human bone to be detected later, diameter 3mm X 6mm length is preferred, however, a bigger size can be consider as well.

Application: once this (B) in inserted into human bone, imagine the size of bone as diameter 16mm X 300mm length cylinder (C) with wall thickness 3mm covered by tissue, muscle. I will need a detector (A) at close range, preferably a handheld type which I can scan from any part outside the body through skin, muscle, tissue and bone of arms/ leg (C) to detect the location of (B), this detector (A) will tells me the X,Y,Z distance from a reference. Once I can pinpoint the location, I can retrieve the (B).

ultrasound may not be applicable as there may be interference with the bone as solid material. perhaps some kind of Rf system may work? someone please advise?
 
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What you have asked is impossible with any system.

To establish coordinates in 2D requires 2 reference points, and in 3D 3 reference points.

Your handheld gadget contains only one.

That is one reason why hospital scanners are large machines with multiple sensors.

There are devices that yield depth and position (indirectly) such as stud/wire/pipe/rebar locators.

You might try to study these to see if there is any help there. They achieve the measurement by multiple positioning of one search head.

go well.
 
Hi,

Thanks for your advise.
ok, will try what you have recommended.
Thanks
 
You might also look at the rfi tags used in some prostrate radiation work (and I suspect other applications).
 
Hi DickL,
ok, thanks. I will check.
 

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