Non-linear ODE with IV problem

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The discussion revolves around a non-linear ordinary differential equation (ODE) with an initial value problem. The equation is piecewise defined, with different expressions for the derivative based on the value of the dependent variable y. The original poster expresses uncertainty about how to approach the problem, particularly due to the piecewise nature of the ODE.

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  • Participants discuss solving the two parts of the piecewise function separately. There is a question about whether the conditions apply to y or x, which leads to clarification about the nature of the piecewise function. Some participants explore the implications of the initial conditions on the existence of solutions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on how to interpret the piecewise conditions. There is a focus on clarifying the definitions and implications of the conditions for y and x, and the potential for different types of solutions based on those interpretations.

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Participants note the importance of understanding the correct interpretation of the piecewise conditions, as this affects the type of solutions that can be derived. There is mention of continuity and differentiability of solutions depending on the chosen conditions.

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Homework Statement



I just need to know how to start this. I've never seen a piece wise ODE before and I don't really know where to start to be honest. I know it's non-linear and it's of order one.

dy/dx = (1/3)y - 3, y > 0 and dy/dx = -(1/3)y - 3 ≤ 0. y(0) = 1 with y(x) [itex]\in[/itex] C0 [0,[itex]\infty[/itex])

I'm trying to find the non-trivial solution.

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Just solve the two parts separately.
 
Thanks very much. That should be ok. :)
 
mistereko said:
Thanks very much. That should be ok. :)

So, will I have two solutions in the end?
 
mistereko said:
So, will I have two solutions in the end?

You'll have a single solution defined in two pieces. Are you sure that the pieces are y>0 and y<=0? Not x?
 
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No. You will have a single solution- a single function given by one formula for x< 0 and second formula for x> 0- a "piecewise function".

I clearly type too slowly!
 
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Thanks guys.
 
It's definitely a linear ODE right?
 
mistereko said:

Homework Statement



I just need to know how to start this. I've never seen a piece wise ODE before and I don't really know where to start to be honest. I know it's non-linear and it's of order one.

dy/dx = (1/3)y - 3, y > 0 and dy/dx = -(1/3)y - 3 ≤ 0. y(0) = 1 with y(x) [itex]\in[/itex] C0 [0,[itex]\infty[/itex])

I'm trying to find the non-trivial solution.

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The Attempt at a Solution


It is important to know if you mean that
[tex]y' = \frac{y}{3} - 3, \; y > 0, \text{ and } y' = -\frac{y}{3} - 3, \;<br /> y \leq 0,[/tex]
or
[tex]y' = \frac{y}{3} - 3, \; x > 0, \text{ and } y' = -\frac{y}{3} -3, \; x \leq 0.[/tex]
Both systems have [itex]C^0[/itex] solutions; one of them has [itex]C^1[/itex] solutions, but the other does not (except for one very particular choice of initial conditions).

RGV
 
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Ray Vickson said:
It is important to know if you mean that
[tex]y' = \frac{y}{3} - 3, \; y > 0, \text{ and } y' = -\frac{y}{3} - 3, \;<br /> y \leq 0,[/tex]
or
[tex]y' = \frac{y}{3} - 3, \; x > 0, \text{ and } y' = -\frac{y}{3} -3, \; x \leq 0.[/tex]
Both systems have [itex]C^0[/itex] solutions; one of them has [itex]C^1[/itex] solutions, but the other does not (except for one very particular choice of initial conditions).

RGV

The first one you wrote. Cheers.
 

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