Nonlocality of a Single Particle: A Scheme Without Objections

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The discussion revolves around a modified scheme proposed by Jacob Dunningham and Vlatko Vedral regarding the nonlocality of a single particle, as published in Physical Review Letters. The focus is on the implications of their work for understanding superposition and entanglement, as well as the experimental validation of their claims.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that Dunningham and Vedral's scheme reformulates Hardy's criteria but does not yet provide experimental validation, suggesting that the term "demonstrated" may be misleading.
  • One participant argues that the scheme does not demonstrate non-locality more than traditional Bell tests, emphasizing that it does not clarify whether locality or realism must be rejected in quantum mechanics.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the abandonment of realism among physicists, questioning the claim that entanglement is merely a classical wave effect related to superposition.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the assumptions necessary for the scheme's validity, particularly the influence of the experimental setup on the particles' properties as they leave the source.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the modified scheme, with no consensus on its experimental validation or the interpretation of nonlocality versus non-realism. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the significance of the claims made by Dunningham and Vedral.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to assumptions about the influence of experimental setups on particle properties, which are critical to the interpretation of the results.

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...Now, Jacob Dunningham from the University of Leeds and Vlatko Vedral from the University of Leeds and the National University of Singapore have modified Hardy’s scheme, publishing their results in a recent issue of Physical Review Letters. By eliminating all unphysical inputs, their scheme allows for a real experiment, and ensures that only a single particle exhibits nonlocality. Plus, Dunningham and Vedral’s scheme not only applies to single photons, but to atoms and single massive particles, as well.

“The greatest significance of this work is that it shows how superposition and entanglement are the same ‘mystery,’” Dunningham explained to PhysOrg.com. “Feynman famously said that superposition is the only mystery in quantum mechanics, but more recently entanglement has been widely considered as an additional fundamental feature of quantum physics. Here we show that they are one and the same.” [continued]
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The "demonstrated" part is a bit misleading. All they did was to reformulate the Hardy criteria that did not have the part that GHZ objected to. We still have to wait for an experiment using such a scheme.

Zz.
 
Sure enough! The title and a quick read led me to think they had actually done the experiment. I'll change the word "demonstrated" to "scheme".
 
A minor quibble: This demonstrates "non-locality" no more - and no less - than traditional Bell tests with entangled particles. The issue, as is well known, is that such experiments show that either locality OR realism must be rejected to match the predictions of QM. It does not say which of these two must go. The title of the article could have been "Non-Realism of a Single Particle" just as easily - and just as accurately.
 
Okay, but I'm not changing the title again. :biggrin:
 
That's a bit superfluous: I don't think many physicists will contemplate abandoning realism at this stage. (Heck, could I even speak of other physicists if I did?)

Very interesting claim, that entanglement is just superposition (a classical wave effect.. basically reduces most of "the mystery" to ol' Fourier math), I'm keen to see how this is received (particular by Zeilinger et al).
 
Just like all the other experiments of this type it "proves" non-locality (or non-realism) only if other, supplementary assumption is hold true. One must assume that the particles' properties, as they leave the source, are not influenced by the presence of the experimental setup (prism, detectors, Alice & Bob, etc). This is hardly an acceptable hypothesis.
 

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