Normalised Radial Coulomb Wave Function

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The discussion revolves around the normalization of the radial wave function for an electron near a Hydrogen nucleus, specifically addressing the transition from a non-normalized to a normalized state using generalized Laguerre polynomials. Participants explore the implications of normalization in quantum mechanics, particularly in relation to the radial and angular components of the wave function.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a non-normalized wave function derived using Mathematica and expresses confusion over its normalization despite applying a documented normalization constant.
  • Another participant inquires about the reference used for the unnormalized wave function, seeking clarity on the source of the mathematical formulation.
  • A third participant suggests that the radial part of the wave function may only be normalized when combined with the angular part, raising the question of whether the radial function can be normalized independently.
  • One participant asserts that while a normalization constant can be derived from the radial part alone, it does not yield the correct probabilistic interpretation without considering the full wave function.
  • A follow-up question is posed regarding the integration of the absolute square of the complete wave function over angular coordinates to find the probability of locating the electron within specific radial bounds.
  • A participant clarifies that the integration should account for the spherical shell of finite width due to the chosen angular limits, which cover the entire sphere.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the normalization process, particularly regarding the necessity of including the angular part of the wave function for accurate probabilistic interpretation. The discussion remains unresolved as to the best approach for normalizing the radial wave function independently.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the normalization constants and the dependence on the full wave function for probabilistic interpretations. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps required for normalization.

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Hey there,

I used Mathematica to find the (non-normalised) wave function of an electron in the vicinity of a Hydrogen nucleus, and converted the answer from one involving Whittaker functions to one involving generalised Laguerre polynomials. My result is shown below:

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This agrees with the documented non-normalised wave function. However, when I multiply by the documented normalisation constant, to get the following wave function:

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It is still not normalised - the integral from 0 to infinity of the absolute square is still not equal to 1.

Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong, and/or how to fix the wave function? Thanks in advance.
 
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Which reference did you take for the unnormalized bound-state wavefunction?
 
dextercioby said:
Which reference did you take for the unnormalized bound-state wavefunction?

This is the page where I found the function with a Laguerre polynomial (I've rearranged a few terms and added the constants, but otherwise it's the same): http://ampl.github.io/amplgsl/coulomb.html

I think I know where I'm going wrong, however. It seems that the function is only normalised once this radial part is multiplied by the angular part. I guess I could find the angular part, but I was wandering whether there was a way to just normalise this function on its own, so that I can calculate the probability of finding an electron however far from the nucleus, without worrying about the angular coordinates.
 
Of course you can find a constant only from the normalization of the radial part alone, but it's not the one you for the probabilistic interpretation. The unnormalized radial distribution can be used to graph it (critical points, inflection, zeros), but the probability is gotten only from the full wavefunction (which includes the angular part and its own normalization constant).
 
dextercioby said:
Of course you can find a constant only from the normalization of the radial part alone, but it's not the one you for the probabilistic interpretation. The unnormalized radial distribution can be used to graph it (critical points, inflection, zeros), but the probability is gotten only from the full wavefunction (which includes the angular part and its own normalization constant).

Ah, ok. So if I find the angular function(s), could I integrate the absolute square of the whole wave function over θ from 0 to 2π, over ϕ from -π/2 to π/2, then between two values of radius to find the probability of finding the electron between those radii?
 
It's actually in a spherical shell of finite width, because, by the way you've chosen them, the 2 angles vary maximally therefore covering a whole sphere.
 

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