Normalization of a symmetric wavefunction

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The discussion revolves around finding the normalization constant \( N_{S} \) for a symmetric wavefunction involving two identical particles, specifically bosons. The wavefunction is expressed as a combination of two individual wavefunctions, \( \psi_{a}(x_{1}) \) and \( \psi_{b}(x_{2}) \), and the normalization condition is explored under the assumption that the individual wavefunctions are not orthogonal.

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  • Participants discuss the normalization process and the implications of symmetry in the wavefunction. Some participants attempt to derive the normalization constant by integrating the wavefunction and questioning the assumptions about the individual wavefunctions. Others explore the consequences of applying certain equalities early in the process.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations and approaches being explored. Some participants suggest that the normalization constant should be \( N_{S} = 1/\sqrt{2} \), while others express uncertainty about their calculations leading to different results. There is no explicit consensus, but several productive lines of reasoning are being examined.

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Participants note that the wavefunctions are assumed to be symmetric and that the normalization of the individual wavefunctions is set to 1. There is also mention of the possibility of halving the number of states due to the indistinguishable nature of the particles involved.

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Homework Statement



I need to find the normalization constant [itex]N_{S}[/itex] of a symmetric wavefunction

[itex]ψ(x_{1},x_{2}) = N_{S}[ψ_{a}(x_{1})ψ_{b}(x_{2}) + ψ_{a}(x_{2})ψ_{b}(x_{1})][/itex]

assuming that the normalization of the individual wavefunctions [itex]ψ_{a}(x_{1})ψ_{b}(x_{2}), ψ_{a}(x_{2})ψ_{b}(x_{1})[/itex] are both just 1 and not orthogonal.

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For a symmetric wavefunction [itex]ψ_{a}(x_{1})ψ_{b}(x_{2}) = ψ_{a}(x_{2})ψ_{b}(x_{1})[/itex]

3. Attempt at solution

I do the normalization and get [itex]N_{S}^2∫_{-∞}^{∞} 2 {|ψ_{a}(x_{1})ψ_{b}(x_{2})|}^{2} + ψ*_{a}(x_{1})ψ*_{b}(x_{2})ψ_{a}(x_{2})ψ_{b}(x_{1}) + ψ*_{a}(x_{2})ψ*_{b}(x_{1})ψ_{a}(x_{2})ψ_{b}(x_{1})dx_{1}dx_{2}=1[/itex]

Now, since the wavefunctions are symmetric, [itex]ψ*_{a}(x_{1})ψ*_{b}(x_{2})ψ_{a}(x_{2})ψ_{b}(x_{1}) = ψ*_{a}(x_{2})ψ*_{b}(x_{1})ψ_{a}(x_{2})ψ_{b}(x_{1})[/itex]

Since the answer is supposed to be [itex]N_{S}=1/\sqrt{2}[/itex], I'm guessing that [itex]ψ*_{a}(x_{1})ψ*_{b}(x_{2})ψ_{a}(x_{2})ψ_{b}(x_{1}) = 0[/itex], but I don't know why this would be.
 
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Well, you might have saved yourself some work by just applying the equality at the beginning, I think.

[itex]ψ(x_{1},x_{2}) = N_{S}[ψ_{a}(x_{1})ψ_{b}(x_{2}) + ψ_{a}(x_{2})ψ_{b}(x_{1})][/itex]
[itex]ψ_{a}(x_{1})ψ_{b}(x_{2}) = ψ_{a}(x_{2})ψ_{b}(x_{1})[/itex]
[itex]ψ(x_{1},x_{2}) = 2N_{S}ψ_{a}(x_{1})ψ_{b}(x_{2})[/itex]But in case you were wondering what to do with your later expression

[itex]\left(a^* + b^*\right)\left(a + b\right) = a^*a +b^*b + a^*b + ab^*[/itex]

[itex]= |a|^2 + |b|^2 + (a^*b) + (a^*b)^*[/itex]
Adding a number to its complex conjugate eliminates the imaginary component and doubles the real component.
[itex]= |a|^2 + |b|^2 + 2Re\left\{a^*b \right\}[/itex]

Consider what happens when [itex]a = b[/itex].

Edit: perhaps I'm missing something though
 
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MisterX said:
Well, you might have saved yourself some work by just applying the equality at the beginning, I think.

[itex]ψ(x_{1},x_{2}) = N_{S}[ψ_{a}(x_{1})ψ_{b}(x_{2}) + ψ_{a}(x_{2})ψ_{b}(x_{1})][/itex]
[itex]ψ_{a}(x_{1})ψ_{b}(x_{2}) = ψ_{a}(x_{2})ψ_{b}(x_{1})[/itex]
[itex]ψ(x_{1},x_{2}) = 2N_{S}ψ_{a}(x_{1})ψ_{b}(x_{2})[/itex]

But if I do this and try to normalize it, won't I get

[itex]N_{S}^2∫_{-∞}^{∞}4|ψ_{a}(x_{1})ψ_{b}(x_{2})|^2 dx_{1}dx_{2}[/itex]

which gets me [itex]N_{S}=1/2[/itex]

MisterX said:
But in case you were wondering what to do with your later expression

[itex]\left(a^* + b^*\right)\left(a + b\right) = a^*a +b^*b + a^*b + ab^*[/itex]

[itex]= |a|^2 + |b|^2 + (a^*b) + (a^*b)^*[/itex]
Adding a number to its complex conjugate eliminates the imaginary component and doubles the real component.
[itex]= |a|^2 + |b|^2 + 2Re\left\{a^*b \right\}[/itex]

Consider what happens when [itex]a = b[/itex].

Edit: perhaps I'm missing something though

[itex]2Re(a*b) = 2|a|^2, 2|b|^2[/itex] and then overall I would get [itex]4|a|^2[/itex] or [itex]4|b|^2[/itex], which again gives me [itex]N_{S}=1/2[/itex], but I need [itex]N_{S} = 1/ \sqrt{2}[/itex] so I'm not really sure what to do
 
Perhaps I replied without sufficient knowledge. It might be that the number of states has been halved (identical particles).
 
phosgene said:
[itex]ψ(x_{1},x_{2}) = N_{S}[ψ_{a}(x_{1})ψ_{b}(x_{2}) + ψ_{a}(x_{2})ψ_{b}(x_{1})][/itex]

This is the wavefunction for two identical particles, specifically bosons. The wave function is required to satisfy the symmetry equation you stated. To solve, we have [itex]|N_{S}|^2∫[ψ_{a}(x_{1})ψ_{b}(x_{2}) + ψ_{a}(x_{2})ψ_{b}(x_{1})]^{*}[ψ_{a}(x_{1})ψ_{b}(x_{2}) + ψ_{a}(x_{2})ψ_{b}(x_{1})]dx_{1}dx_{2}=1[/itex]. Expand this equation out carefully. It is always possible to orthonormalize using Gram-Schmidt so that [itex]∫|ψ_{a}(x_{1})^2|=1[/itex] and [itex]∫ψ_{a}(x_{1})^{*}ψ_{b}(x_{1})=0[/itex]. This should give you [itex]N_{S} = 1/√2[/itex].
 

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