Not understanding the isomorphism R x R = C

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The isomorphism between ℝxℝ and ℂ, defined by the map sending (a,b) to a + bi, highlights that while ℂ is a field, ℝxℝ does not maintain the same structure due to its coordinatewise multiplication, which does not yield a field. In ℝxℝ, the product of non-zero elements can result in zero, as shown by (1,0) * (0,1) = (0,0). Additionally, the ideal structure differs; ℂ has a maximal ideal while ℝxℝ has two maximal ideals, indicating that the isomorphism does not preserve all algebraic structures. The confusion arises from the assumption that all isomorphisms carry over properties like invertibility, which is not the case for non-ring isomorphisms. Ultimately, the distinction between vector space isomorphisms and ring isomorphisms is crucial for understanding the differences between these mathematical structures.
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Now ℝxℝ≅ℂ, seen by the map that sends (a,b) to a + bi. ℂ is a field, so the product of any two non-zero elements is non-zero. However, this doesn't seem to hold in ℝxℝ, since (1,0) * (0,1) = (0,0) even though (1,0) and (0,1) are non-zero. What am I missing?

Also, the zero ideal is maximal in ℂ, since ℂ is a field. But in ℝxℝ, we have two maximal ideals: ℝx{0} and {0}xℝ. Surely the isomorphism between ℝxℝ and ℂ ought to preserve the ideal structure?
 
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Isomorphism between ##\mathbb R\times\mathbb R## and ##\mathbb C## is an isomorphism between real vector spaces, i.e. it agrees only with addition and multiplication by real numbers. But is does not agree with the multiplication: the "natural" coordinatewise multiplication in ##\mathbb R\times\mathbb R## does not make it a filed, it only gives you a ring. The multiplication in ##\mathbb C## is quite different, and it makes ##\mathbb C## a field.
 
Ah yeah, you're right. There's no square root of -1 in ℝxℝ anyway, so it's no surprise that multiplication doesn't carry over. I'd always imagined isomorphisms as carrying over all structure, including invertibility. Thanks for clearing this up!
 
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I'd always imagined isomorphisms as carrying over all structure, including invertibility.
Isomorphisms do, but not all bijective maps are isomorphisms. The specific map you mentioned is linear. That makes it a vector space isomorphism, if we view ##\mathbb C## as a vector space over ##\mathbb R##, but it's not a ring isomorphism (and therefore not a field isomorphism) unless you have chosen the product operation on ##\mathbb R\times\mathbb R## to be something like the one defined by ##(a,b)(c,d)=(ac-bd,ad+bc)##.
 
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