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The discussion revolves around the appropriate notation for the infinite self-iteration of an analytic function, denoted as ##f(f(f(...)))##. Participants explore various notational conventions and definitions, considering both mathematical rigor and clarity in communication.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest using ##f^{(+\infty)}(x)## as a notation for infinite iteration, while others propose defining a new notation to avoid confusion.
  • One participant mentions the common usage of defining iterations as ##f^{(n+1)}(x):=f^{(n)}(f(x))##, emphasizing the need for explicit definitions.
  • Another participant introduces the notation ##\bigcirc_{n=1}^\infty f## as a potential standard for infinite self-iteration, noting its clarity.
  • Concerns are raised about the existence of limits in infinite iterations, with an example provided of a function that can lead to chaotic behavior.
  • A participant references the well-developed theory of infinite compositions of analytic functions, suggesting that there is existing literature on the topic.

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Participants express differing views on the existence of a commonly recognized notation for infinite self-iteration. While some propose specific notations, others argue that a clear definition is necessary for any notation used.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the functions involved, as well as the potential for non-existence of limits in certain cases. The discussion does not resolve these issues.

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I want to know what are the possible notations for the infinite self-iteraction of a function
Hi Physics Forum, I want to ask if there is an "appropriate" notation for the infinite self-iteraction of an analytic function ##f(x)##, that is ##f(f(f(...)))##. For example I know ##f^{(+\infty)}(x)## can be a way, but there is an operator notation as for the infinite sum ##\sum_{k=1}^{+\infty}f_{n}## ...
Thank you,
Ssnow
 
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Ssnow said:
Summary: I want to know what are the possible notations for the infinite self-iteraction of a function

Hi Physics Forum, I want to ask if there is an "appropriate" notation for the infinite self-iteraction of an analytic function ##f(x)##, that is ##f(f(f(...)))##. For example I know ##f^{(+\infty)}(x)## can be a way, but there is an operator notation as for the infinite sum ##\sum_{k=1}^{+\infty}f_{n}## ...
Thank you,
Ssnow
The sum is usually not abbreviated, except you simply call it ##S.## The iterations have to be defined in order to avoid confusion. You already used the most common usage: ##f^{(n+1)}(x):=f^{(n)}(f(x)).## Since ##f^{(n+1)}(x) ## is often used as ##f^{(n+1)}(x)=\dfrac{d}{dx}f^{(n)}(x),## it requires an explicit definition. Hence, after defining it, you have
$$
S(x):=\sum_{k=1}^\infty f^{(k)}(x)
$$
 
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I do not think there is a notation whose meaning would be commonly recognized by mathematicians. I recommend that you clearly define one of your own where you need it.
UPDATE: I think that @pasmith's notation, ##\bigcirc_{n=1}^\infty f##, in post #4 serves the purpose very well and might be a standard that I was not familiar with.
 
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Ssnow said:
Summary: I want to know what are the possible notations for the infinite self-iteraction of a function

Hi Physics Forum, I want to ask if there is an "appropriate" notation for the infinite self-iteraction of an analytic function ##f(x)##, that is ##f(f(f(...)))##. For example I know ##f^{(+\infty)}(x)## can be a way, but there is an operator notation as for the infinite sum ##\sum_{k=1}^{+\infty}f_{n}## ...
Thank you,
Ssnow

Code:
\DeclareMathOperator{bigcomp}{\bigcirc}
\begin{split}
\bigcomp_{n=1}^N f_n &= f_N \circ f_{N - 1} \circ \cdots \circ f_2 \circ f_1  \\
\bigcomp_{n=1}^\infty f &= f \circ f \circ f \circ \cdots \end{split}

<br /> \DeclareMathOperator{bigcomp}{\bigcirc}<br /> \begin{split}<br /> \bigcomp_{n=1}^N f_n &amp;= f_N \circ f_{N_-1} \circ \cdots \circ f_2 \circ f_1 \\<br /> \bigcomp_{n=1}^\infty f &amp;= f \circ f \circ f \circ \cdots \end{split}<br /> (It seemed logical to apply f_1 first and f_N last.)

There may be a way to make LaTeX put the limits above and below the \bigcomp in displayed formulas, but \limits on its own won't do it.

It is, however, incredibly easy for the limit to not exist, as for example if f : [0,1] \to [0,1] : x \mapsto 4x(1-x) and x_0 falls on one of the many unstable periodic orbits of that map, or falls on the chaotic attractor.
 
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I think the notation of @pasmith is appropriate,
thank you!
Ssnow
 
\mathop L\limits_{k = 1}^n {g_k}(z) = {g_n} \circ {g_{n - 1}} \circ \cdots \circ {g_1}(z)
{G_n}(z) = \mathop R\limits_{k = 1}^n {g_k}(z)\mathop L\limits_{k = 1}^\infty {g_k}(z) = \mathop {\lim }\limits_{n \to \infty } {G_n}(z)
and
\mathop R\limits_{k = 1}^n {f_k}(z) = {f_1} \circ {f_2} \circ \cdots \circ {f_n}(z), {F_n}(z) = \mathop R\limits_{k = 1}^n {f_k}(z)
\mathop R\limits_{k = 1}^\infty {f_k}(z) = \mathop {\lim }\limits_{n \to \infty } {F_n}(z)
See the Wikipedia article on infinite compositions of analytic functions. There is a fairly well developed elementary theory of infinite compositions of complex functions, even functions in Banach spaces.
 
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