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The discussion revolves around the recent Nobel Prize in Chemistry awarded for the discovery of quasi-crystals. Participants explore the nature of quasi-crystals, their diffraction patterns, and their mathematical and physical implications, including connections to fractals and Anderson localization. The conversation encompasses theoretical, conceptual, and historical perspectives on quasi-crystals.

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  • Some participants find quasi-crystals fascinating and propose discussing their unique properties, such as the pure point pattern of their diffraction and its implications for fractals.
  • One participant questions the possibility of a quasi-crystal being quasi-crystalline only in one dimension, suggesting that quasicrystals arise from tilings.
  • Another participant cites Fibonacci series as examples of one-dimensional quasi-crystals, referencing external material for support.
  • Historical context is provided regarding the contributions of Daniel Shechtman and Roger Penrose to the understanding of quasi-crystals, with reflections on their implications in art and architecture.
  • One participant recalls Linus Pauling's skepticism about quasi-crystals, noting that the Nobel awarded to Shechtman was well-deserved.
  • A question is raised about the equivalence of the projection from higher-dimensional space approach and the parketting approach in quasi-crystals.
  • Another participant elaborates on the modern crystallography notation of aperiodic crystals and their relation to higher-dimensional spaces.
  • There is speculation about whether quasi-crystalinity could be analogous to Anderson localization in momentum space, with references to the absence of diffusion in disordered media.
  • One participant expresses a desire for a layman's explanation of quasi-crystals and their properties, indicating a need for clearer understanding.
  • Another participant explains Anderson localization, suggesting a potential analogy with quasi-crystals regarding the transformation of continuous spectra into localized eigenfunctions.

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Participants express differing views on the dimensionality of quasi-crystals and the implications of their properties. There is no consensus on the relationship between fractals and quasi-crystals, nor on the equivalence of different theoretical approaches. The discussion remains unresolved on several points.

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Some claims depend on specific definitions and assumptions about quasi-crystals and their mathematical representations. The discussion includes unresolved questions about the stability of spectra and the nature of higher-dimensional projections.

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Now, the Nobel Prize in chemistry is out and it has been given for the discovery of quasi-crystals.
I consider quasi-crystals to be quite a fascinating kind of matter although I know very little about it.
Maybe we can discuss some points.
What I find quite striking although it doesn't seem to be duely recognized in many articles is the fact that the diffraction pattern is, at least ideally, a pure point pattern which is nevertheless everywhere dense. Basically, the diffraction pattern is the Fourier transform of the distance distribution function.
Consider a quasi-crystal which is quasi-crystalline only in one dimension. Then we could integrate the diffraction pattern twice from - infinity to x. The resultant function will be everywhere continuous but nowhere differentiable, i.e. it will be a fractal.
Does every fractal in one dimension correspond to a quasi-crystal? How about 3 dimensions?
How is all this related to quasi-crystals being representable as projections of a higher dimensional regular lattice?

Now we could assume that the diffraction pattern is the spectrum of some fictive hamiltonian.
It will form part of the "essential spectrum" which comprises both the dense point spectrum and the continuous spectrum of the operator.
A continuous diffraction spectrum would correspond to a material which only possesses near order.
Now there are some theorems that the continuous spectrum of an operator is not stable even under infinitely small perturbations which can transform it into a pure point spectrum. An example is Anderson localization.
Is quasi-crystalinity some kind of Anderson localization in momentum space?
 
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DrDu said:
Consider a quasi-crystal which is quasi-crystalline only in one dimension.

I don't believe that is possible. Quasicrystals are the results of tilings.
 


I am happy that a Nobel was awarded to Daniel Shechtman for this http://www.nature.com/news/2011/111005/full/news.2011.572.html". I distinctly remembering after reading Penrose's book, "The Emperor's New Mind", about impossible quasi periodic tiling patterns, quasicrystals. This concept I distinctly remember being amazed by. Cheers to Penrose and others for predicting them.
Given the relative simplicity of making these materials, it's certain that the five-fold patterns had been seen by numerous scientists before Shechtman, who dismissed them because they didn't fit the rigid rules of crystallography," says Elser.

Indeed, such 'aperiodic' five-fold structures had been described by mathematicians many decades before — most famously by British mathematician Roger Penrose. Related complex designs are found in Islamic art and architecture.
I find it curious these impossible five-fold structures found their way into human consciousness later expressed in Islamic art and architecture long before being predicted and then physically discovered in the later part of the twentieth century. Amazing.

Rhody... :cool:
 
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Anyone else remember how Linus Pauling (great though he was - I was floored by Nature of the Chemical Bond on first encounter) insisted quasi-crystals couldn't be a new phenomenon, they were just crystal twinning? This was a well deserved Nobel.
 


Another question: Why and when are the projection from higher dimensional space approach and the parketting approach equivalent? Any crisp argument?
 


DrDu said:
Consider a quasi-crystal which is quasi-crystalline only in one dimension. Then we could integrate the diffraction pattern twice from - infinity to x. The resultant function will be everywhere continuous but nowhere differentiable, i.e. it will be a fractal.
Does every fractal in one dimension correspond to a quasi-crystal? How about 3 dimensions?
How is all this related to quasi-crystals being representable as projections of a higher dimensional regular lattice?

In the modern crystallography there is a notation of aperiodic crystals. They are crystals with normal basis a,b,c and a set of propagation (or wave) k-vectors. The atomic positions (or/and occupancies) are modulated according to x(t_n)=x(0)+Ʃ_k cos(k.t_n+phi), where x0 is the position in zeroth cell, t is a vector pointing to an n_th cell. The extra dimensions are simply the phases/2pi for each propagation k-vector. In this respect there is no principal difference between the situation with one k-vector and the case with two or three k-vectors that occurs in quasicrystals. For instance icosahedral phase of AlMn has 3 k-vectors that corresponds to 3+3 Bragg indices, i.e. 6D space.
 


I thought I would share this: http://www.solid.phys.ethz.ch/ott/staff/beeli/Structural_investigation.html"
High-resolution transmission electron microscopy in combination with further electron microscopy techniques is employed for the structural characterisation of quasicrystalline alloys such als icosahedral and decagonal Al-Mn-Pd as well as decagonal Al-Co-Ni.

Is quasi-crystalinity some kind of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anderson_localization" in momentum space?

In condensed matter physics, Anderson localization, also known as strong localization, is the absence of diffusion of waves in a disordered medium. This phenomenon is named after the American physicist P. W. Anderson, who was the first one to suggest the possibility of electron localization inside a semiconductor, provided that the degree of randomness of the impurities or defects is sufficiently large
DrDru,

Since I am a mere mortal with a curiosity of properties of quasi-crystals, could you explain in layman's term's, or provide a graphic or analogy so that I can wrap my head around this. Thanks...

Rhody...
 
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Anderson localisation means that some disorder in a crystal can transform the continuous eigenfunctions (plane waves) of an electron into localized eigenfunctions. As localized eigenfunctions are proper functions in Hilbert space (as opposed to plane wave solutions), the hamiltonian also has a corresponding proper eigenvalue. So when Anderson localisation takes place, the continuous spectrum is transformed into a dense point spectrum. I was speculating whether something analogous may be the case in quasi-crystals.
 

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