Nuclear Explosion Space Bright or Dim Flash

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the characteristics and visual phenomena of a nuclear explosion occurring in deep space. Participants explore the nature of emitted energy, the persistence of light, and the behavior of particles in the absence of an atmosphere, touching on both theoretical and conceptual aspects of nuclear physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a nuclear explosion in space would produce a large burst of energy, emitting photons across the electromagnetic spectrum, including a bright fireball in the optical range that could last for several seconds.
  • Another participant references the "Starfish Prime" nuclear test to illustrate the visual effects of an above-atmosphere explosion.
  • A different viewpoint posits that after the initial blast, the remaining particles would not generate significant light, as the primary explosion's light is short-lived, lasting microseconds to milliseconds.
  • Some participants discuss the behavior of particles post-explosion, noting that electrically-neutral matter could escape Earth's gravitational field, while charged particles might create auroras upon interacting with the atmosphere.
  • There is a claim that nuclear weapons can be designed to emit energy in non-spherical patterns, challenging the assertion that all expulsion of matter would be spherical.
  • One participant agrees that there would be no mushroom cloud or shockwave in space, as these phenomena require an atmosphere.
  • Concerns are raised about the amount of hydrogen gas produced after the explosion, with some suggesting that the quantity would be minimal and rapidly dispersed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the persistence and visibility of light from a nuclear explosion in space, with some asserting it would be bright and long-lasting, while others argue it would be brief and limited. There is no consensus on the exact nature of the explosion's aftermath or the behavior of particles involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge various assumptions regarding the conditions of deep space and the mechanics of nuclear explosions, including the lack of atmosphere and the behavior of particles post-explosion. Limitations in understanding the exact quantities and interactions of particles are also noted.

Albertgauss
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Hi all,

I think there is a post on this somewhere that is accessible via google but somehow too hard to find on this site. Anyway, if a nuclear explosion went off in deep space, I think the following would happen:

There would be a large burst of energy. All photons from Gamma to Radio would be emitted. The light from a nuclear blast is intrinsic to the energy of the nuclear explosion itself, so one should also see a bright fireball in the optical range. It should also persist for several seconds or more. A nuclear blast in the atmosphere of the Earth certainly persists for dozens of seconds, so I would expect a nuclear explosion in space to exist on a comparable timescale. It would be like a mini-sun for up to a minute, maybe 30 secs, I'm not sure, but it would be on this timescale.

There would also be Alpha and Beta rays, and neutrons, so there would be large numbers of these particles released. They wouldn't be seen with the naked eye, but they would cook anything nearby much more quickly and strongly than a microwave. Finally, there might be some heavier nuclei ejected from the nuclear erxplosion.

All expulsion of matter or photons would be spherical.

There would be no mushroom cloud, shockwave, sound, etc. as such effects would need an atmosphere, and that is completely lacking in deep space.

There would be heat, but it would NOT be due to the temperature of any gas; it would be the heat of the infrared photons produced by the energy of the explosion.

How am I doing with imagining what a nuclear blast would look like in space? Other posts on the internet mentioned a dim flash that is over quickly due to a lack of atmosphere, but I think this is incorrect. I think the trememndous energy in a nuclear explosion would have plenty of energy for plenty of optical photons.
 
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Google "Starfish Prime" to see video and color images of above-atmosphere nuclear shot.
 
I think that a few minutes after the blast you would have a lot of hydrogen gas. The neutrons can decay into protons that combine with the beta rays to form hydrogen.
 
Much of the electrically-neutral matter (including neutral hydrogen and neutrons) would have multi-keV energies (β>0.005) or MeV energies and quickly escape the Earth's gravitational field. Most of the charged particles (including ions, protons, and electrons) would be trapped by the Earth's magnetic field, hit the upper atmosphere, and create spectacular Aurora Borealis. Gammas and x-rays would be line of sight into 4π.
 
"Deep space" is not close to the Earth - and starfish prime was still close to the earth.

>> The light from a nuclear blast is intrinsic to the energy of the nuclear explosion itself
But it comes from the primary explosion only, which is of the order of microseconds to milliseconds. Afterwards, you have a cloud of many isolated, fast particles expanding from the point of the explosion in all directions. Not many options to generate light.

A nuclear blast in or close to the atmosphere can heat the air, which can emit light afterwards.

>> All expulsion of matter or photons would be spherical.
You can design nuclear weapons to be aspherical. The total momentum is (in the frame of the warhead) zero, but it can emit more energy in two opposite directions, for example.

>> There would be no mushroom cloud, shockwave, sound, etc. as such effects would need an atmosphere, and that is completely lacking in deep space.
Correct

>> There would be heat, but it would NOT be due to the temperature of any gas; it would be the heat of the infrared photons produced by the energy of the explosion.
And all the other particles, as you already mentioned.
I think that a few minutes after the blast you would have a lot of hydrogen gas
Nuclear weapons produce a lot of neutrons in terms of nuclear reactions. But in terms of weight, don't expect more than some grams, rapidly flying in all directions. After one neutron lifetime, they are already (many) thousands of kilometers away from the explosion.
 

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