Nuclear Explosion in Space… How would it work?

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects and mechanics of a nuclear explosion in space, contrasting it with terrestrial explosions. Participants explore the nature of damage caused by such explosions, the role of penetrating radiation, and the potential effectiveness of nuclear weapons in a vacuum environment.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that a nuclear explosion in a vacuum would not produce a shock wave due to the absence of a medium, while still resulting in an expanding ball of radiation.
  • There is a breakdown of damage from a tactical nuclear explosion, with participants suggesting that the damage is reduced by 65% in space due to the lack of shock wave and radioactive pollution.
  • Questions arise regarding the differences in penetrating radiation between fission and fusion bombs, with some suggesting that the effects differ in design implications for spacecraft.
  • Some participants argue that the electromagnetic (EM) effects would dominate in a vacuum, with the energy dissipating indefinitely until absorbed by matter.
  • There is a proposal to combine nuclear warheads with projectile propulsion, likening it to concepts from Project Orion.
  • Participants discuss the energy release of nuclear weapons, emphasizing that the total energy remains constant regardless of the environment, leading to debates about how energy is distributed in space.
  • Some assert that while a shock wave may form from the bomb's material, it would have significantly reduced momentum and damage potential compared to terrestrial explosions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature and impact of shock waves in space, with some asserting that no shock wave exists while others suggest a reduced form may still occur. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact mechanics and implications of nuclear explosions in a vacuum.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the effects of nuclear explosions in space, particularly regarding assumptions about energy distribution and the nature of shock waves in a vacuum.

  • #31
Here are two partially declassified old (1960s) films used by the US to train military personnel:

"High Altitude Nuclear Weapon Effects • Part One • Phenomenology"



"High Altitude Nuclear Weapon Effects • Part Two • Systems Interference"



These are indeed "blasts from the past".
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: LURCH, pinball1970 and DrClaude
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #32
A.T. said:
I don't get this 65% reduction. The total released energy is still the same. So the energy that didn't go into the shock-wave, must go somewhere else, like radiation. But it cannot just disappear.
.
Total released energy from detonation in the vacuum of space would typically be less than the total released energy from detonation well within the atmosphere, mainly due to the pressure and mass of the atmosphete acting as a tamper effectively delaying disassembly allowing additional fissions and fusions to occur.
Additionally, surrounding atmosphere will act to some very limited degree as a neutron reflector, sending some otherwise escaped neutrons back through for another pass at the fissile material in the "spark plug", casing and disassembling originally supercritical mass to increase fission yields, as well as with lithium to produce additional tritium and He3 production to increase fusion yield.
There would also be the effect of differing heat transfer rates immediately following detonation. Heat transfer being dominated by radiation in a very short period immediately following detonation and the lack of atmosphere forming an opaque barrier to many wavelengths at very high temperatures, the disassembling device will experience greater heat transfer briefly after detonation causing temperatures to fall more quickly shortly after detonation making conditions for fusion less favorable that those for a detonation in atmosphere.
.
As to a 'shockwave'developing, what occurs in the vacuum of space is going to be very different for what occurs in the atmosphere. Not having the resistance of the atmosphere, the fastest particles will attain higher speeds. Without atmospheric resistance, outward bound material does not slow much until it has something to interact with. Without atmospheric resistance, there will be no coalescence into a leading edge shock front. The fastest particles will continue to move further ahead of the slower particles. At sufficient distance particles from the blast will be effectively segregated into a smooth gradient of speed with the particles with greatest speed arriving first and successively slower particles arriving there after.

I too am suspicious of the '65%' reduction in damage because it would need to treat all the various types of damage as fungible across various targets and this is simply not the case. Damage from various effects is heavily dependent on the type of target, so altering the relative strength of such effects would require specification of target type to begin to compare relative damage.
 
Last edited:

Similar threads

  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
4K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
Replies
13
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
5K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 46 ·
2
Replies
46
Views
11K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K