Nuclear ignition of gas giant atmospheres

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the possibility of initiating a self-perpetuating nuclear fusion reaction in the atmospheres of gas giants, particularly focusing on hydrogen-rich environments. It also considers the implications of such reactions in non-hydrogen atmospheres, like Earth's, and the differences between fusion processes in stars and nuclear weapons.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a nuclear bomb could ignite fusion in a gas giant's atmosphere, but question whether this reaction could be self-sustaining due to rapid expansion cooling the reaction.
  • Others argue that while fusion might occur momentarily, the conditions necessary for a self-perpetuating reaction are not achievable in gas giants like Jupiter or Saturn.
  • A participant raises the idea that the shockwaves from a bomb could create sufficient pressure and temperature to initiate fusion, prompting a question about the relationship between pressure, temperature, and fusion probability.
  • There is a discussion about the differences between fusion in the Sun and in nuclear weapons, particularly regarding the roles of weak and strong nuclear interactions.
  • Some participants express curiosity about whether extreme conditions outside of a gravitational well could enable fusion involving weak interactions, and how binding energy relates to these forces.
  • Participants engage in calculations comparing energy output per unit volume of the Sun's core to that of a candle flame, leading to a debate about the accuracy and implications of these comparisons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of achieving self-sustaining fusion in gas giant atmospheres and the comparative energy outputs of the Sun and a candle flame. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on these topics.

Contextual Notes

Some calculations and assumptions regarding the energy output of the Sun's core and the conditions necessary for fusion are debated, with participants noting the need for careful consideration of volume and energy distribution in their comparisons.

  • #31
Originally posted by Tyro
Assumptions/info needed:
You are misusing the term 'assumption.' What you really mean is prior, a result of a previous experiment. An assumption has no experimental basis. I made no assumptions, but I did make use of priors.

- Warren
 

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