Nulcear fission, two daughter nuclei

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The discussion revolves around a problem in nuclear physics concerning spontaneous fission of an unstable nucleus into two daughter nuclei. The original poster presents a scenario involving mass values and excitation energy, seeking to determine the kinetic energy of one of the daughter nuclei.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the relationship between mass differences of the nuclei and energy conservation, questioning how excitation energy factors into the kinetic energy of the daughter nuclei. There is discussion about the correct interpretation of mass differences and their implications for energy calculations.

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Some participants have offered insights into the role of mass differences in energy conservation, while others are clarifying their understanding of excitation energy and its relation to kinetic energy. There is an ongoing examination of the original poster's calculations and assumptions, with some participants suggesting corrections to the approach taken.

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Participants note potential confusion regarding the treatment of excitation energy and mass differences, indicating that the original poster may have misinterpreted the signs in their calculations. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify these concepts without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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An unstable nucleus with mass M is in an excited state with excitation energy E* and undergoes spontaneous fission into two daughter nuclei "1" and "2" and zero fast neutrons. What will be the kinetic energy KE (in MeV) of the daughter nucleus "1"?

M = 233.9493amu
E* = 10.6616Mev
M1 = 123.3604 amu

M2 = 110.5096 amu

Homework Equations


Conservation of momentum
Total kinetic energy

The Attempt at a Solution


Here is my solution but I believe I am on the right line IMO but I not entirely sure what the activation energy really is and also why M = 233.9493amu has been included as it not in my solution which indicated to me I have gone maybe slightly wrong.

$$M_1V_1=M_2V_2 [1]$$
$$E^*=1/2M_1V_1^2+1/2M_2V_2^2 [2]$$
$$\frac{M_1V_1}{M_2}=V_2\:\left[3\right]$$
$$E^*=\frac{1}{2}M_1V_1^2+\frac{1}{2}\frac{M_1^2V_1^2}{M_2^2}\cdot M_2 [4]$$

Simplifying through and making ##V_1^2## the subject

$$\frac{2E^*}{\left(M_1+\frac{M_1^2}{M_2}\right)}=V_1^2$$

Subbing in the given values
$$\frac{2\left(10.6616MeV\right)}{\left(123.3604amu+\frac{\left(123.3604amu\right)^2}{110.5096amu}\right)}=V_1^2=0.08167\frac{Mev}{amu}\:\left[5\right]$$

$$V_1^2=0.08167\frac{Mev}{\frac{931.5MeV}{c^2}}=0.000087c^2 [6] $$

$$KE_1=\frac{1}{2}\left(123.3604amu\cdot 0.000087c^2\right)=\frac{1}{2}\left(123.3604\cdot 931.5\frac{MeV}{c^2}\cdot 0.000087c^2\right) [7]$$

this gave me a ##KE## value of ##4.998MeV##

this issue is I don't really understand the excitation energy with regards to fission, so I a assume this energy is used to intaite the fission process.
 
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Taylor_1989 said:
M = 233.9493amu
E* = 10.6616Mev
M1 = 123.3604 amu

M2 = 110.5096 amu
looking at your data it appears that there is a mass difference in mother and daughters nuclei added together ...so energy conservation must account for this part...

most of the mass difference goes into K E of the fragments.
 
drvrm said:
looking at your data it appears that there is a mass difference in mother and daughters nuclei added together ...so energy conservation must account for this part...

most of the mass difference goes into K E of the fragments.

I what you are saying to add the mass diff to the excitation energy, accuse I did have this thought but the difference is a negative value
 
difference is change in the masses and equivalent energy must be accounted for in conservation of energy...check from your textbook

.if the daughters are playing..the mother must have provided energy. just talking lighty.
 
Taylor_1989 said:
I a assume this energy is used to intaite the fission process.
Yes, but it is not consumed by the fission process. It still ends up in the KE.
Taylor_1989 said:
add the mass diff to the excitation energy, accuse I did have this thought but the difference is a negative value
Which way round did you take the difference? Please post your working.
 
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haruspex said:
Yes, but it is not consumed by the fission process. It still ends up in the KE.

Which way round did you take the difference? Please post your working.
Sorry for the confusion when I looked over the question again I took the difference the wrong way round, so my orginall working was
$$(M_1+M_2)-M=\Delta M$$ but what I should have done is $$M-(M_1+M_2)=\Delta M$$. Which after this I got the correct ans.
 

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