Number of Different resonances in a closed Box

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The discussion revolves around determining the number of different resonance frequencies in a closed 3D box filled with gas, focusing on the relationship between resonance frequencies and the integers l, m, and n. The original poster presents a mathematical framework based on wave equations and boundary conditions, leading to an expression for frequency in terms of these integers.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of the derived frequency expression and question how to count the integer solutions for l, m, and n that satisfy a given inequality. There is discussion about the geometric interpretation involving spheres and volumes, and how this relates to counting solutions in a cubic box.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants attempting to connect the volume of a sphere to the counting of integer solutions in the context of resonance frequencies. Some participants express confusion about the relevance of spherical geometry in a cubic box setup, while others suggest that the problem may be approached through the density of points in l, m, n space.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of uncertainty regarding the assumptions made about the relationship between the physical dimensions of the box and the mathematical space of l, m, n. Participants are also grappling with the implications of boundary conditions and the nature of the solutions being sought.

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Homework Statement


Show that the possible resonance frequencies in a 3D box with side a are constant multiples of ##(l^2+m^2+n^2)^{1/2}##, where l, m and n are integers. Assume that the box with sides a is filled with a gas in which the speed of sound is constant. Hence show that the number of different resonancec frequencies less than v is ##\approx \frac{4\pi a^3 v^3}{9\sqrt{3}c^3}##.

Homework Equations


##c = \frac{\omega}{k}##
##f = \frac{\omega}{2\pi}##

The Attempt at a Solution


I solved the first part by assuming that the variables could be decoupled and that the waveequation is on the form: ##\Psi(x,y,z,t) = X(x) Y(y) Z(z) cos(\omega t)## where ##X(x) = A_xcos(k_xx) + B_xsin(k_xx)## and equally for Y and Z. Using the boundary conditions that no particle motion should occur at the walls, I ended up with:
##\Psi(x,y,z,t) = C sin(k_xx) sin(k_yy) sin(k_zz) cos(\omega t) ##
where ##k_x = \frac{\pi n}{a}##, ##k_y = \frac{\pi m}{a}##, ##k_z = \frac{\pi l}{a}##
This ultimately lead to:
##f= \frac{c}{2a} (l^2+m^2+n^2)^{1/2} ## as was to be shown.

However, I am completely stuck on the last part. I esentially end up with the inequality:
##(l^2+m^2+n^2)^{1/2} < \frac{2av}{c} ##
but from here I have no idea how to progress to find the number of solutions.
 
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What is the volume of a sphere with radius ##2af\over c## ?
 
BvU said:
What is the volume of a sphere with radius ##2af\over c## ?
The volume is ##\frac{32\pi a^3f^3}{3c^3}## which is close to what we want to prove, but I don't see how a sphere comes into the number of integer solutions in a cubic box...
 
BvU said:
What is the volume of a sphere with radius ##2af\over c## ?
Is it related to somekind of point density?
##V=\frac{4\pi r^3}{3}=\frac{32\pi a^3f^3}{3c^3}=16\cdot3\sqrt{3}\frac{4\pi a^3f^3}{9\sqrt{3}c^3}=\frac{1}{\rho}N## ?
I still don't see why we get a sphere in a cubic box though and how we are supposed to know ##\rho##.
 
Not in the box with physical dimensions a, but in the space of l, m, n... where a radius is ##2af\over c##
 
BvU said:
Not in the box with physical dimensions a, but in the space of l, m, n... where a radius is ##2af\over c##
I am sorry, but I still don't have any idea how to solve this.
 
You are after the number of
Marcus95 said:
resonance frequencies less than v
which is roughly the number of grid points in ## l,m,n ## space for which ## l^2+m^2+n^2 \le ## a certain number, the (radius of a sphere)2
 

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