Number of Elements in Finite Fields?

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The discussion revolves around properties of finite fields, specifically the number of elements in certain subsets derived from the field. Participants explore the structure of the set of squares in a finite field, intersections of these sets, and implications for equations involving sums of squares. The scope includes theoretical reasoning and mathematical proofs related to finite fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the set of squares in a finite field, denoted as $F^2$, contains $\frac{p^n+1}{2}$ elements, based on the argument that each non-zero element has a unique square root.
  • Another participant agrees with the calculation of the number of elements in $F^2$ but questions the proof's applicability to odd primes, suggesting a need for clarification regarding the case when $p=2$.
  • Participants discuss the intersection of $F^2$ and the translated set $t-F^2$, with one suggesting that the pigeonhole principle can be used to show this intersection is non-empty.
  • There is a consensus that $-1$ is an element of the finite field, which is relevant for solving the equation $x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = 0$.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about how to rigorously prove the cardinality of the sets involved and the implications of their intersections.
  • Questions arise about the necessity of demonstrating that a function mapping elements from $F^2$ to $t-F^2$ is one-to-one and onto to establish their equal cardinality.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on some aspects, such as the cardinality of $F^2$ and the existence of $-1$ in the field. However, there remains disagreement and uncertainty regarding the proofs and implications of these properties, particularly concerning the intersection of sets and the necessity of certain conditions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the proof for the cardinality of $F^2$ may need to explicitly account for the case when $p=2$, and there are unresolved questions about the assumptions required for the pigeonhole principle to apply effectively.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and researchers interested in finite fields, algebra, and number theory, particularly those exploring the properties of quadratic residues and their applications in mathematical proofs.

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Hey! :o

Let $p$ an odd prime and $F=F_{p^n}$ the finite field with $p^n$ elements.

1. Show that the set $F^2=\{a^2, a \in F\}$ has $\frac{p^n+1}{2}$ elements. Conclude that , if $t \in F$ the set $t-F^2=\{t-a^2, a \in F\}$ has $\frac{p^n+1}{2}$ elements.
2. For $t \in F$ show taht the set $F^2 \cap (t-F^2)$ is non-empty and conclude that each element $c$ of $F$ can be written in the form $c=a^2+b^2, a, b \in F$.
3. Show that the equation $x^2+y^2+z^2=0$ has a non-trivial solution in $F$.
I have done the following:

1. $a^2 \in F^2 \Rightarrow a, -a \in F$

That means that $F^2$ contains the half of the elements of $F\setminus \{0\}$, and the element $0$.
So, the number of elements of $F^2$ is $\frac{p^n-1}{2}+1=\frac{p^n-1+2}{2}=\frac{p^n+1}{2}$.

Is this correct?? (Wondering)

How can I show that conclude that if $t \in F$ the set $t-F^2=\{t-a^2, a \in F\}$ has $\frac{p^n+1}{2}$ elements??

2. Let $x \in F^2 \cap (t-F^2) \Rightarrow x=F^2 \text{ AND } x \in t-F^2 \\ \Rightarrow x=a^2, a \in F \text{ AND } x=t-a^2, t, a \in F$

How can I continue?? (Wondering)

3. We set $z=1$, then we have the equation $x^2+y^2+1=0 \Rightarrow x^2=-1-y^2$.

Does $-1 \in F$ ?? (Wondering)

Then we could use the question $2.$, right?? (Wondering)
 
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Hi,

1. Is correct

In 2. you haven't proved that the intersection is non-epmty, but it's just the pidgeonhole principle.

For the other question, if $F^{2}\cap (t-F^{2})$ is non empty, then there exists some $b,c \in F$ such that $b^{2}=t-c^{2}$, and this holds for every $t\in F$

In 3. Yes, $-1\in F$ becaus is the inverse with respect to the addition of the neutral element with respect to the multiplication.

And now by 2. you got it
 
Fallen Angel said:
Hi,

1. Is correct

In 2. you haven't proved that the intersection is non-epmty, but it's just the pidgeonhole principle.

For the other question, if $F^{2}\cap (t-F^{2})$ is non empty, then there exists some $b,c \in F$ such that $b^{2}=t-c^{2}$, and this holds for every $t\in F$

In 3. Yes, $-1\in F$ becaus is the inverse with respect to the addition of the neutral element with respect to the multiplication.

And now by 2. you got it

1. How can I show that conclude that if $t \in F$ the set $t-F^2=\{t-a^2, a \in F\}$ has $\frac{p^n+1}{2}$ elements??

2. How can I show that the intersection is non-empty?? (Wondering)

3. We set $z=1$, then we have the equation $x^2+y^2+1=0 \Rightarrow x^2=-1-y^2$.

$-1 \in F$

By $2.$ we have that $c=a^2+b^2, a,b,c \in F \Rightarrow a^2=c-b^2$

For $a^2=x^2, c=-1, b^2=y^2$ we have that $x^2=-1-y^2$.

But how can we justify that the equation has a non-trivial solution in $F$ ?? (Wondering)
 
Hi,

1. The set $t-F^{2}$ it's just a traslation of $F^{2}$ so it has the same cardinality

2.I told you to use the pidgeonhole principle, you have two sets of $\frac{p^{n}+1}{2}$ elements contained in a set of $p^{n}$ elements, so ...

3.Since you have a solution with $z=1$ (by 2.) the solution is non trivial
 
Fallen Angel said:
1. The set $t-F^{2}$ it's just a traslation of $F^{2}$ so it has the same cardinality

Ok! (Smile)
Fallen Angel said:
2.I told you to use the pidgeonhole principle, you have two sets of $\frac{p^{n}+1}{2}$ elements contained in a set of $p^{n}$ elements, so ...

Do you mean that $F^2 \subseteq F$ and $t-F^2 \subseteq F$ ?? (Wondering)
Fallen Angel said:
3.Since you have a solution with $z=1$ (by 2.) the solution is non trivial

And is the way I formulated it correct?? (Wondering)

We set $z=1$, then we have the equation $x^2+y^2+1=0 \Rightarrow x^2=−1−y^2$.

$−1 \in F$

By $2.$ we have that $c=a^2+b^2,a,b,c \in F⇒a^2=c−b^2$

For $a^2=x^2,c=−1,b^2=y^2$ we have that $x^2=−1−y^2$.

Or could I improve something?? (Wondering)
 
I'm a little dubious about your proof of 1. Where do you use the fact that p is odd? For p=2, $F^2=F$. So I think you need to expand your proof.

For 2, as was pointed out, if A is any subset of an additive group, then the cardinality of $t-A=\{t-a:a\in A\}$ is the same as the cardinality of A. (You can easily define a one to one function from A to t-A.) So suppose $(t-F^2)\cap F^2$ is empty. Then $p^{n+1}=2\,{p^n+1\over 2}=|t-F^2|+|F^2|=|(t-F^2)\cup F^2|\leq p^n$, a contradiction. (The last inequality since $(t-F^2)\cup F^2\subseteq F$)
 
mathmari said:
Do you mean that $F^2 \subseteq F$ and $t-F^2 \subseteq F$ ?? (Wondering)
Yes
mathmari said:
And is the way I formulated it correct?? (Wondering)

Or could I improve something?? (Wondering)

It's ok
 
johng said:
I'm a little dubious about your proof of 1. Where do you use the fact that p is odd? For p=2, $F^2=F$. So I think you need to expand your proof.

How could I expand the proof?? (Wondering)
johng said:
For 2, as was pointed out, if A is any subset of an additive group, then the cardinality of $t-A=\{t-a:a\in A\}$ is the same as the cardinality of A. (You can easily define a one to one function from A to t-A.)

So, to show that $A$ and $t-A$ have the same cardinality do we have to show that this function is $1-1$ and onto?? (Wondering)
johng said:
So suppose $(t-F^2)\cap F^2$ is empty. Then $p^{n+1}=2\,{p^n+1\over 2}=|t-F^2|+|F^2|=|(t-F^2)\cup F^2|\leq p^n$, a contradiction. (The last inequality since $(t-F^2)\cup F^2\subseteq F$)

When we suppose that $(t-F^2)\cap F^2$ is empty, does it mean that $|(t-F^2)\cap F^2|=|t-F^2|+|F^2|$ ?? (Wondering)

Also, why does it stand that $(t-F^2)\cup F^2\subseteq F$ ?? (Wondering)
 
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