Number of Real Roots of Polynomial w/ Monotonic Behaviour

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The problem involves a polynomial function f(x) of odd positive degree n that exhibits monotonic behavior. The equation under consideration is the sum of f evaluated at integer multiples of x, equated to n(n+1)/2. Participants are exploring the implications of monotonicity on the number of real roots of this equation.

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  • Participants discuss the nature of the polynomial and its roots, questioning whether the equation has multiple solutions or just one. There are attempts to clarify the meaning of monotonic behavior and its implications for the roots of the polynomial.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations of the problem being explored. Some participants suggest that the monotonic nature of f(x) implies a single intersection with the x-axis, while others are considering specific cases and the behavior of the sum of the polynomial at different multiples of x.

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There is a lack of clarity regarding the exact requirements of the problem, particularly whether the goal is to show the number of solutions or to find them. Additionally, assumptions about the behavior of the polynomial and its roots are being examined.

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Homework Statement



Let f(x) be a pllynomial of degree n, an odd positive integer, and has monotonic behaviour then the number of real roots of the equation
f(x)+ f(2x) + f(3x)...+ f(nx)= n(n+1)/2

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This seems like the summation of 1+2+3+...+n, and that would be a root of the equation, but I don't know if that's the only one.
 
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chaoseverlasting said:
Let f(x) be a pllynomial of degree n, an odd positive integer, and has monotonic behaviour then the number of real roots of the equation
f(x)+ f(2x) + f(3x)...+ f(nx)= n(n+1)/2
You didn't finish asking a question. Do you mean that you have to show that the number of solutions of

f(x) + ... + f(nx) = 0

is n(n+1)/2, or are you asked to find the number of solutions of the equation

f(x)+ f(2x) + f(3x)...+ f(nx)= n(n+1)/2?
 
Not to mention: what do you mean by "has monotonic behavior"? Do you mean that it is monotonic for all x? If so then f(x)= 0 has exactly one root.
 
You have to find the number of roots of the equation. And it is monotonic for all x. How did you get f(x)=0 has only one root?
 
So you have to find the number of x-values such that

f(x) + ... + f(nx) = n(n+1)/2

Right? f(x)=0 has only one root because f is monotonic, so once it crosses the x-axis once, it will never cross again. Of course, it must cross the x-axis at least once because f is an odd-degree polynomial.
 
I would recommend looking at simple cases first. It is easy to show that if f(x)= ax+ b, there is exactly one root to that equation, but what if f(x)= x3 or variations on that?
 
Since f(x) is monotonic for all x, then it has only one solution. I.e, it only cuts the line y=0 at one point. Let f(x) be a function of the type [tex]f(x)=a_nx^n+a_{n-1}x^{n-1}...[/tex]
Then f(x)+f(2x)+f(3x)+...+f(nx) will also be a function of the type [tex]F(x)=A_nx^n+A_{n-1}x^{n-1}...[/tex] which will also be monotonic, and hence have only one solution.

Is that right?
 
[itex]x \mapsto f(x)[/itex] is either monotonic increasing or monotonic decreasing. Without loss of generality, suppose it is monotonic increasing. Then what can you say about the functions [itex]x \mapsto f(kx)[/itex] where k is some positive integer?
 
f(kx) is also monotonically increasing or decreasing. Graphically, if k<1, then the graph expands, and if k>1, then the graph contracts, but the graph remains basically the same.
 
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Right, and it is monotonic in the same way, i.e. if f(x) is increasing, then f(kx) is increasing (for k > 0) and if f(x) is decreasing then f(kx) is decreasing (for k > 0). Now you know that f(x), f(2x), ..., f(nx) are all monotonic, and either ALL strictly increasing or ALL strictly decreasing. What can you say about the sum f(x) + ... + f(nx)?
 
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f(x)+...+f(nx) is also monotonic. Thats why it can only intersect the x-axis at one point. Hence, f(x)+...+f(nx) has only one root.
 
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Okay, but you're not done yet. You actually want to find the number of roots of f(x) + ... + f(nx) - n(n+1)/2. f(x) + ... + f(nx) is monotonic, and -n(n-1)/2 is just a constant, so what can you say about their sum? Also, ex is monotonic, but it has no zeroes. Both ex and any odd-degree polynomial, so what more do you need to say about f(x), and then about f(x) + ... + f(nx), and then about f(x) + ... + f(nx) - n(n-1)/2 in order to count the roots?
 

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