Number theory, primitive pythagorean triples

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The discussion revolves around finding integer-length sides of Pythagorean triangles with a specified area of 60. Participants explore the properties of primitive Pythagorean triples and the relationships between the sides.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the formulation of the problem using the area and properties of Pythagorean triples. There are attempts to derive relationships between the variables and explore different cases based on the values of m and n.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning the necessity of certain variables and exploring the implications of their assumptions. Some have suggested specific values for m and n, while others are considering the implications of the area constraint.

Contextual Notes

There is a focus on the conditions that m and n must satisfy, including the requirement that one is even and the other is odd, as well as the implications of having a real triangle. Participants also note the limited ways to factor the area into products of integers.

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Homework Statement


Find the known pythagorean triangles with sides of integers lengths, given the area of the pythagorean triangle is 60.

Homework Equations



Pythagorean triangles are right angled triangles.
a primitive pythagorean triple is of the form:

x=2mn
y=m^2-n^2
z=m^2+n^2

gcd(m,n)=1 so one is even and the other is odd.[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution



xy=120 so d^2ab =120
( d I x = a , d I y = b)[/B]
the only possible values for d^2 are 1 and 4
so I have two cases:

1) ab = 120
2) ab=30

I can now write a = 2mn
b= m^2-n^2

so mn(m^2-n^2)=15
mn(m-n)(m+n)=15

I am unsure as what to do next.
 
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Mathematicsresear said:

Homework Statement


Find the known pythagorean triangles with sides of integers lengths, given the area of the pythagorean triangle is 60.

Homework Equations



Pythagorean triangles are right angled triangles.
a primitive pythagorean triple is of the form:

x=2mn
y=m^2-n^2
z=m^2+n^2

gcd(m,n)=1 so one is even and the other is odd.[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution



xy=120 so d^2ab =120
( d I x = a , d I y = b)[/B]
the only possible values for d^2 are 1 and 4
so I have two cases:

1) ab = 120
2) ab=30

I can now write a = 2mn
b= m^2-n^2

so mn(m^2-n^2)=15
mn(m-n)(m+n)=15

I am unsure as what to do next.
What do you need ##d## for, if you end up at ##mn(m^2-n^2)=c## anyway? We know from the start that ##mn(m^2-n^2)=60##. So ##n=1## gives an easy solution, and we're left with ##m\geq 3,n\geq 2##.
 
fresh_42 said:
What do you need ##d## for, if you end up at ##mn(m^2-n^2)=c## anyway? We know from the start that ##mn(m^2-n^2)=60##. So ##n=1## gives an easy solution, and we're left with ##m\geq 3,n\geq 2##.
How did you get m is greater than or equal to 3 and n is greater than or equal to 2?
 
Mathematicsresear said:
How did you get m is greater than or equal to 3 and n is greater than or equal to 2?
I first considered the case ##n=1##. For the rest we thus have ##n\geq 2##. Now I assume we have a real triangle, so ##y>0## which means ##m > n##.
 
fresh_42 said:
I first considered the case ##n=1##. For the rest we thus have ##n\geq 2##. Now I assume we have a real triangle, so ##y>0## which means ##m > n##.
Alright, I am told that this equality holds, but I am not sure how, mn(m-n)(m+n) >= mn(m+t) >= 24 but I am not sure how to interpret this answer, and where the 24 came from.
 
Mathematicsresear said:
Alright, I am told that this equality holds, but I am not sure how, mn(m-n)(m+n) >= mn(m+t) >= 24 but I am not sure how to interpret this answer, and where the 24 came from.
What 24? I could follow you until your cases 1) and 2) and then I got lost. But I think you don't need neither ##(m,n)=1## nor ##d##. The text says ##\frac{1}{2}xy=60=mn(m+n)(m-n)##. For ##n=1## we have the product of three consecutive numbers: ##60=(m-1)\cdot m \cdot (m+1)## which leaves not much room for solutions, because ##m \in \mathbb{N}##. Now we have the other case ##m>n\geq 2##. Does this lead to other solutions?
 
Mathematicsresear said:

Homework Statement


Find the known pythagorean triangles with sides of integers lengths, given the area of the pythagorean triangle is 60.

Homework Equations



Pythagorean triangles are right angled triangles.
a primitive pythagorean triple is of the form:

x=2mn
y=m^2-n^2
z=m^2+n^2

gcd(m,n)=1 so one is even and the other is odd.[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution



xy=120 so d^2ab =120
( d I x = a , d I y = b)[/B]
the only possible values for d^2 are 1 and 4
so I have two cases:

1) ab = 120
2) ab=30

I can now write a = 2mn
b= m^2-n^2

so mn(m^2-n^2)=15
mn(m-n)(m+n)=15

I am unsure as what to do next.
There are only 8 ways to factor 120 into the product of two positive integers. Maybe you could just try them.
 
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