Numerially integrate the radial schrodinger equation

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The discussion revolves around the numerical integration of the time-dependent Schrödinger equation in two dimensions, specifically addressing the challenges posed by the radial part of the wave function and the behavior of terms like 1/r ∂_r near the origin.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the need to integrate the time-dependent Schrödinger equation in 2D, noting the rotational invariance of the potential and initial wave function, which simplifies the problem to a 1D radial equation.
  • Another participant suggests that the problem is ill-conditioned due to the 1/r term and proposes calculating the integral from a small radius h to infinity, recommending the use of Richardson extrapolation for improved convergence.
  • A participant advises defining a cut-off radius where the wave function takes a specific value derived from the analytical solution for the hydrogen atom, emphasizing the importance of a small step size to avoid divergence.
  • One participant clarifies that their concern is with the Laplacian operator in polar coordinates in 2D, specifically the term 1/r(d/dr), which diverges near the origin, and expresses uncertainty about how to handle it.
  • Another participant recommends substituting the wave function psi(r) with u(r)/r to potentially simplify the problem, although this approach is noted to be applicable for 3D cases.
  • There is a reiteration that the focus is on the 2D case, indicating a need for a different approach than what might work in 3D.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to approach the numerical integration problem, with no consensus on a single method or solution. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best way to handle the divergence near the origin in the 2D case.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the ill-conditioned nature of the problem and the specific challenges posed by the radial terms in the Schrödinger equation, but do not resolve the mathematical complexities involved.

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i now need to integrate the time-dependent Schrödinger equation in 2D

the potential is rotationally invariant and so is the initial wave function

thus the symmetry of the initial wave function will be preserved in time

Instead of a 2D equation, i now only need to integrate a 1d equation about the radial part of the wave function.

However, in doing so i encounter some difficulties. There are terms like 1/r \partial_r in the equation.

near the origin, this term will diverge!

I guess this is a well-solved problem. Could anyone give me some help?
 
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(Why'd this get moved here, of all places? It's a math problem. Numerical methods, really.)

I guess this is a well-solved problem. Could anyone give me some help?

Well, more of an ill-conditioned problem, really. :)
I'm not at all a numerics expert, but the simplest (but surely not most efficient) numerical method that comes to mind would be to calculate the integral from h to infinity and shrink h until you're within convergence limits. You could also use Richardson extrapolation to improve on that.
 
wdlang,

The 1/r potential term is best handled by recognizing that the value from the analytical solution at r = 0 for the hydrogen atom is 1. You should try to define a cut-off radius, which inside this radius the wavefuntion takes on the above value. Also, be careful of your radius step-size: use a small enough step size so your solution doesn't blow up.
 
Modey3 said:
wdlang,

The 1/r potential term is best handled by recognizing that the value from the analytical solution at r = 0 for the hydrogen atom is 1. You should try to define a cut-off radius, which inside this radius the wavefuntion takes on the above value. Also, be careful of your radius step-size: use a small enough step size so your solution doesn't blow up.

Thanks a lot!

but I do not mean the 1/r potential

i mean the lapalace operator in polar coordinates, 2D

you will find a term 1/r(d/dr)

This term diverge near the origin.

I do not know how to handle it. Moreover, i am interested in the time-dependent S equation, not the time-independent S equation.
 
I recommend you take the unknown wavefunction psi(r) and replace it with u(r)/r. Substitute psi = u / r into your equation and you will hopefully find a less ill-conditioned problem for u.
 
confinement said:
I recommend you take the unknown wavefunction psi(r) and replace it with u(r)/r. Substitute psi = u / r into your equation and you will hopefully find a less ill-conditioned problem for u.

Yes, but that works for 3D

I am concerned with the 2D case.
 

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