Numerical Integration: Find x to 3 Decimal Points

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the value of \( x \) in a numerical integration problem involving the integral of a specific function. Participants explore various methods to approximate \( x \) to three decimal points, discussing the accuracy of their results and the implications of their calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the equation \( 2.37=\frac{1}{\sqrt{6}} \int_{0}^{x} \sqrt{\frac{e^x}{e^x-1}}dx \) and requests to find \( x \) to three decimal points.
  • Another participant claims to find \( x \approx 4.425 \) using technology and guesswork.
  • A different participant suggests \( x \approx 4.428 \), indicating that the previous answer may be less accurate.
  • One participant notes discrepancies between results from Wolfram Alpha and their TI-89 calculator, reporting \( x \approx 4.42501043622 \).
  • Another participant mentions potential floating-point accuracy issues with the TI-89 and expresses doubt about the correctness of Wolfram Alpha's output.
  • Participants discuss the integration variable, questioning whether it should be \( x \) or \( t \), and suggest that if \( t \) is used, an exact solution for \( x \) can be derived as \( x = 2 \ln \dfrac{k^2+1}{2k} \) where \( k = e^{2.37\sqrt{6}/2} \).
  • One participant expresses enthusiasm about the exact solution and inquires about the method used to compute the integral, with another confirming they integrated directly using a substitution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the exact value of \( x \), as multiple approximations are presented, and there is uncertainty regarding the integration variable. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most accurate method and result.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about the integration variable and the potential impact of numerical methods on the accuracy of results. The discussion also highlights the dependence on specific computational tools and their respective outputs.

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\[2.37=\frac{1}{\sqrt{6}} \int_{0}^{x} \sqrt{\frac{e^x}{e^x-1}}dx\]

please find x to three decimal point
 
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Using technology and some guesswork, I find:

$\displaystyle \frac{1}{\sqrt{6}}\int_0^{4.425}\sqrt{\frac{e^t}{e^t-1}}\,dt=2.37$

$x=4.425$
 
I get x $\approx$ 4.428

may be your answer is more accurate
 
wolframalpha.com gave the result I cited as being exact, but my TI-89 gives:

$x\approx4.42501043622$
 
MarkFL said:
wolframalpha.com gave the result I cited as being exact, but my TI-89 gives:

$x\approx4.42501043622$
The TI is probably having floating-point accuracy problems - it's not exactly a trivial approximation - I doubt W|A is wrong. I would use Mathematica to confirm but I don't have it installed right now :(
 
W|A also says the value my TI-89 gave results in the same exact value as well. (Tmi)
 
Do you really want the upper limit and dummy variable (the integration variable) to both be $x$?
 
If the integration variable is in fact $t$ (like MarkFL notes), then we can solve exactly for $x$ giving

$x = 2 \ln \dfrac{k^2+1}{2k}$ where $k = e^{2.37\sqrt{6}/2}$.
 
Jester said:
If the integration variable is in fact $t$ (like MarkFL notes), then we can solve exactly for $x$ giving

$x = 2 \ln \dfrac{k^2+1}{2k}$ where $k = e^{2.37\sqrt{6}/2}$.

Nice! :cool:

Did you find this by directly computing the improper integral, or did you exploit the FTOC in some other way?
 
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MarkFL said:
Nice! :cool:

Did you find this by directly computing the improper integral, or did you exploit the FTOC in some other way?
I integrated directly. Once you let $u = e^{t/2}$, you get an integral very manageable.
 

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