Numerical intergration of a set of measured data points

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the numerical integration of measured data points related to the calculation of total charge Q in a lab setting involving transistors. The focus is on the mathematical representation of current as a function of voltage and resistance, and the discrepancies observed between two different formulations of the integral for Q.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the mathematical formulation for total charge Q as an integral of voltage over resistance, noting two different definitions for Q that yield different results.
  • Another participant asserts that if resistance R is constant, the results of the integrals should not differ, suggesting a potential error in calculations.
  • A third participant requests clarification on the method of evaluating the integrals, indicating that the integration technique is crucial for understanding the discrepancy.
  • The original poster acknowledges the constancy of R and expresses confusion over the differing results, speculating that the integration method, possibly involving spline approximation, may contribute to the observed differences.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; there are competing views regarding the cause of the differing results from the integrals, and the discussion remains unresolved as to the specific integration methods employed.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of information on the specific numerical integration methods used and the assumptions regarding the behavior of the measured data points.

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Hi,
I have faced the following question. In our lab we perform different measurements on Transistors. We program a scope and that controls the tests. For one of our tests we would like to calculate the total charge Q. Mathematically this is given by
Q=∫ dt i(t), where i(t) is given by i(t) = v(t)/R, i(t)= current, v(t)=voltage, R= resistivity ( constant value), for a time interval [t1, t2]
We cannot measure i(t) directly but we can measure v(t). This means
Q=∫dt v(t)/R.
We have noticed the following
1. if we define Q1 = ∫dt ( v(t)/R)
2. or if we define Q2= (∫dt v(t))/R
Mathematically these two integrals should produce the same result. But we see completely different results. I wonder if this depends on the numerical methods used in integration or has another reason.

Thank you for your help.
 
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If R is truly a constant, then the answer cannot depend on when you divide. You must be making a mistake in your calculations.
 
You have not told us how you are evaluating the intergrals. Without that bit of information there is no way we can hope to help you.
 
Thank you for your feedbacks,
1. R is constant and I expect that the integrals should be the same but they are not.
2. I do not know what integration method is used. This is a tester connected to a circuit we can enter the function that we want to evaluate, with limits of integration.
I have been thinking if we use spline then difference between the two way of integration may come from approximation using (v(t)/R) all the way instead of just multiplying (1/R) at the end.
 

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