Obama Adminsitration Seeks to Overturn Questioning Law

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Obama administration's efforts to change police questioning laws, focusing on the implications for suspects' rights and the potential for increased police authority. Participants explore various perspectives on the motivations behind the law reform and its consequences for civil liberties.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern that the changes could lead to a "strengthening of the police state," suggesting a potential erosion of civil liberties.
  • Others argue that the reform does not infringe on Miranda rights and may prevent criminals from escaping prosecution due to technicalities.
  • A participant raises doubts about the practical application of the law, fearing that police might use coercive tactics during questioning.
  • There are claims that the law reform is a step towards a "Socialistic State," although others challenge this characterization, suggesting it is an exaggerated response.
  • Some participants engage in a back-and-forth regarding the implications of the law and the motivations behind the administration's actions, with references to media influence on public perception.
  • Concerns are voiced about the potential for police misconduct and the treatment of suspects, with some asserting that individuals in custody typically have valid reasons for being there.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; multiple competing views remain regarding the implications of the law reform, its characterization as a step towards socialism, and the potential impact on civil liberties.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying assumptions about the nature of the law reform and its implications, with some relying on media narratives and others drawing from personal beliefs about law enforcement and civil rights.

Woody101
If this don't scare the hell our of you it should.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5214985/Barack-Obama-administration-seeks-to-change-police-questioning-law.html
 
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Woody101 said:
If this don't scare the hell our of you it should.

Why? Because less criminals will get off due to technicalities?
 
Woody101 said:
If this don't scare the hell our of you it should.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5214985/Barack-Obama-administration-seeks-to-change-police-questioning-law.html

It doesn't take away our Miranda rights, that is the right to remain silent. It just allows cops question interview suspects. It basically removes a loophole a criminal might use as a technicality to get out of prosecution.
 
Obama Administration Seeks to Overturn Questioning Law

Woody101 said:
If this don't scare the hell our of you it should.
:zzz:

No, it has't scared the hell out of me. Why it even should?
 
rootX said:
:zzz:

No, it has't scared the hell out of me. Why it even should?

Well, if you engage in illegal activity you should! :)
 
it's just the first step in the direction of the Socialistic State that Obama seeks to establish.
 
Woody101 said:
it's just the first step in the direction of the Socialistic State that Obama seeks to establish.

I don't disagree what Obama's intent might be but this particular law has nothing to do with that. And it wouldn't be the "first" step, more like the 9th.
 
Socialist State? From law reform to Socialism in 6 posts flat.
:smile:
I'll take a guess that these excellent first steps are bad thing in some minds.

Well done Pres. :approve:
 
Hrrmmm...

On the surface this looks fine. On paper, a suspect will still be able to keep his mouth shut until his lawyer arrives. In practice, I don't know if it will be so cut and dry. I'm concerned about cops bullying suspects into thinking they must submit to questioning. What I imagine is a new training program for police officers, which trains police how to question a suspect, which amounts to mental abuse by scare tactics, until they submit.

Call it a step towards socialism, or call it law reform. Doesn't matter, just as long as you realize it's a strengthening of the police state, which is scary on it's own.
 
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drankin said:
Well, if you engage in illegal activity you should! :)

Are you planning something? Is that why it scares you?

But I must say it is heartwarming to see you concerned about protecting the rights of the under-represented, of the weaker and down-trodden elements of society.
 
  • #11
as long as you realize it's a strengthening of the police state,
:confused: What police state?

:smile:
Have we gone from a socialist state to police state while I wasn't looking?
 
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  • #12
You think an ROFL smiley takes the place of good argument, which makes you a fool. And as a general rule, I don't mix words with fools. If you care to act like you have some sense, I'd be happy to explain the OP's reason for calling it socialism, the police state, and any other political topics you'd like to learn about.
 
  • #13
I doubt if Obama has much time to spend on this.
 
  • #14
I'd be happy to explain the OP's reason for calling it socialism, the police state, and any other political topics you'd like to learn about.
Thanks, but I already have FOX news for that.Oh , btw the OP did not call it any kind of state. That came in post #6
The police state came at post #9
 
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  • #15
LowlyPion said:
Are you planning something? Is that why it scares you?

But I must say it is heartwarming to see you concerned about protecting the rights of the under-represented, of the weaker and down-trodden elements of society.

:confused:
I don't understand how this is related to
Well, if you engage in illegal activity you should! :)
 
  • #16
Alfi said:
Thanks, but I already have FOX news for that.
:smile: The hypocrisy! It kills me! :smile:
 
  • #17
LowlyPion said:
Are you planning something? Is that why it scares you?

But I must say it is heartwarming to see you concerned about protecting the rights of the under-represented, of the weaker and down-trodden elements of society.

I'm usually on the side of law enforcement. Typically, if you are in police custody there is a good reason. Nobody is under-represented in my book. You can chose not to answer questions by the police. And, I am concerned about the rights of everybody, wether you would deem them "weaker and down-trodden" or not.
 

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