Weeper of the House - John Boehner

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around John Boehner's public displays of emotion, particularly his crying, and the implications of his behavior as a national leader. Participants explore the intersection of emotional expression, public perception, and leadership qualities, touching on themes of masculinity, alcohol use, and historical comparisons with other political figures.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern about Boehner's emotional displays, suggesting they may indicate an emotional problem or instability.
  • Others argue that while crying may be unappealing, it is not necessarily disqualifying for a leader.
  • There are claims regarding Boehner's drinking habits, with some suggesting it could affect his decision-making abilities.
  • A few participants reflect on societal expectations of male leaders and how they differ from those of female leaders, particularly in the context of emotional expression.
  • Some participants question whether there is a consensus on whether Boehner has a drinking problem or if it is merely speculation.
  • Historical comparisons are made to other political figures, such as Teddy Kennedy, and how their behaviors were perceived differently.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether Boehner's crying is acceptable or indicative of deeper issues. There are multiple competing views regarding the implications of his emotional displays and drinking habits.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the extent of Boehner's drinking problem and its impact on his leadership. Discussions also highlight the evolving standards for emotional expression in political contexts.

  • #61
nismaratwork said:
If you need to get drunk that often to cope, you shouldn't be a senator, never mind speaker. I'm not saying you should be shot or marginalized, but you shouldn't be one of the 100 most (self)important folks in the country. If you need a vice, screw around or be an adrenaline junkie; it needs to be something that doesn't have the short and long term deleterious effects of alcohol.

We clearly don't know "how often" Boehner drinks, let alone gets "drunk". Last I checked, we're talking about the "People's House" - and alcohol is still legal.
 
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  • #62
Proton Soup said:
short and long term effects can be quite tragic. we also don't need loose cannons in gov't.

Can you cite any specific incidents where Boehner was some kind of a loose cannon - perhaps behaved like a young Ted Kennedy or even an older Ted Kennedy that partied with his nephew and was drug into a rape trial?
 
  • #63
WhoWee said:
Can you cite any specific incidents where Boehner was some kind of a loose cannon - perhaps behaved like a young Ted Kennedy or even an older Ted Kennedy that partied with his nephew and was drug into a rape trial?

i'm referring specifically to the part bolded, that adrenaline junkies were preferable. they are not. i would rather he be a weepy alky.
 
  • #64
Proton Soup said:
i'm referring specifically to the part bolded, that adrenaline junkies were preferable. they are not. i would rather he be a weepy alky.

Skiing into trees or flying small craft may not be good for your long-term health, but unlike alcohol you're either there at 100%, or in a hospital/morgue. No brain-shrinkage, no hangovers and mental deficits as a result.
 
  • #65
Have I performed my daily post in support of term limits in the House yet (today)?
 
  • #66
nismaratwork said:
Skiing into trees or flying small craft may not be good for your long-term health, but unlike alcohol you're either there at 100%, or in a hospital/morgue. No brain-shrinkage, no hangovers and mental deficits as a result.

they're not just flying themselves, but the whole nation. and i don't want them steering us into a tree. manics are some of the most self-destructive people on the planet, if you must know.
 
  • #67
Proton Soup said:
they're not just flying themselves, but the whole nation. and i don't want them steering us into a tree. manics are some of the most self-destructive people on the planet, if you must know.

Oh absolutely, but the thing is that the profile of a politician, firefighter, adrenaline junkie... all look very similar. One is more power-hungry, the second is more civic minded, and the third is just... in it for the thrills. I think we already have the maniacs running things, as they're the only ones who'll run for and stick with the job. If I have a choice of maniacs, I'll choose the one who isn't quaffing large amounts of dumb-juice. Only endogenous mind-altering substances in our leaders please... barring social activity and the occasional party.
 
  • #68
WhoWee said:
Have I performed my daily post in support of term limits in the House yet (today)?

Man I couldn't agree less! I say let them stay for life, but how long is life when after 4-8 years you become legal big-game?! My plan, and I think you'll like this, is that you run for election ONCE, and stay in office... as long as you can. House members become legal to kill with small arms and less after x years, or they can retire to safety. If you want to be senior in that house, you'd better be really REALLY dedicated and principled.
 
  • #69
nismaratwork said:
Man I couldn't agree less! I say let them stay for life, but how long is life when after 4-8 years you become legal big-game?! My plan, and I think you'll like this, is that you run for election ONCE, and stay in office... as long as you can. House members become legal to kill with small arms and less after x years, or they can retire to safety. If you want to be senior in that house, you'd better be really REALLY dedicated and principled.

Interesting concept - perhaps you should start a petition?
 
  • #70
WhoWee said:
Interesting concept - perhaps you should start a petition?

I think that would probably have me in jail, but it's a thought I hold dearly. :biggrin:
 
  • #71
nismaratwork said:
I think that would probably have me in jail, but it's a thought I hold dearly. :biggrin:

Actually, by the time it would get to the floor for a vote - we might :rolleyes:be required to (instead of shooting) throw $100 bills at retiring Congresspersons and they would have the right to bring suit against anyone from their district that didn't send them contributions.
 
  • #72
nismaratwork said:
Skiing into trees or flying small craft may not be good for your long-term health, but unlike alcohol you're either there at 100%, or in a hospital/morgue. No brain-shrinkage, no hangovers and mental deficits as a result.
There's a pretty good way to determine if alcohol is affecting his mental ability: If Democrats ever stop accusing him of being an extremist/"for the rich"/right-wing ideologue, etc, we'll know he's in trouble.

Ditto if Democrats don't scream bloody murder constantly over the next two years.
 
  • #73
Al68 said:
There's a pretty good way to determine if alcohol is affecting his mental ability: If Democrats ever stop accusing him of being an extremist/"for the rich"/right-wing ideologue, etc, we'll know he's in trouble.

Ditto if Democrats don't scream bloody murder constantly over the next two years.

Nah, then we'd just know the democrats had laryngitis. :wink: Both parties have their lines that NEVER go away... and that is definitely the democratic line. Anyway, it should be interesting to see how the man handles himself... maybe we'll all be pleasantly surprised.
 

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