Object hung from two ropes - determine weight

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the determination of the weight of an object suspended by two ropes, incorporating the effects of measurement uncertainty in the forces involved. The subject area pertains to physics, specifically the analysis of forces and equilibrium.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore how to account for measurement uncertainty in the calculated weight of the object. They discuss the method of finding maximum and minimum possible weights based on the given forces and their uncertainties. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of the differences between calculated values and the actual weight.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the assumptions made about the error in measurements and discussing how to accurately represent the uncertainty in the weight estimation. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet, but guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of maximum and minimum values.

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The problem includes constraints related to the accuracy of scales, with a specified potential error of 2 N in the measured forces. This uncertainty is central to the discussion and affects the calculations being considered.

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Original Problem:
sin(45)(425N) + sin (60)(601N) = 821N
The problem is, no scale is perfect. Let's assume for the time being that the angles are quite accurate, but you know based on your past experience that these scales can be off by as much as 2 N. This uncertainty propagates through any calculation that involves the measured quantities.

By how much (in N) could your estimation of the weight of the box be off?

Hint: The easiest way to do this is by finding the highest and smallest possible values of the weight that can result from the range of values of the measured forces.

What I'm doing - but wrong answer:
sin(45)(423) + sin(60)(599) = 817.8553853
sin(45)(427) + sin(60)(603) = 824.147914
Subtract higher from lower = 6.29300

Where am I going wrong?
 
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Let me try re-phrasing the question: How much do the maximum and minimum values differ from the calculated weight?

The value you found (6.29) is the difference between the maximum and minimum values. Neither value (min or max) will actually differ from the real weight by that much, since the real weight is somewhere in the middle.
 
So would the correct answer be 6.29/2=3.14?
 
Actually, the minimum and maximum don't differ from the calculated weight by the same amount. One value has slightly more error than the other. Try finding the difference between the calculated weight and each of the min/max values.
 

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