Object thrown upward with known initial and final velocity

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The problem involves a cliff diver running horizontally at a constant speed and hitting the water after a specified time. The focus is on determining the diver's speed just before impact, considering both horizontal and vertical components of motion under gravity.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the diver's vertical and horizontal velocities, questioning the use of equations and the interpretation of variables. There is an exploration of how the y-component of velocity changes over time due to gravitational acceleration.

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Some participants have provided guidance on understanding the components of velocity and the importance of calculating the magnitude of the resultant velocity. There is an ongoing exploration of the discrepancy between calculated and expected values, with no clear consensus on the correctness of the answer key.

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Participants are working under the assumption that air resistance can be ignored, and there is a focus on the implications of using different equations of motion. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the expected answer compared to their calculations.

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Homework Statement


A cliff diver runs horizontally at 4.00 m/s. He hits the water 3.00 s later. Ignore air resistance.

(a) What is the diver's speed (magnitude of the velocity vector) just before he hits the water?

Homework Equations


Change in y-component: y(t) = vyot + (1/2)g(t^2)
Change in x-component: x(t) = vxot
V(t) = Vyo - gt

The Attempt at a Solution


To find the cliff height, I simply used -0.5(9.8)(3^2). So this comes out to 44.1 meters high.
To find the change in x-component (how far he traveled), I used x = v*t, which was (4.00)(3.00), which equals 12.0 meters. So far, super easy high school-level problem.
To find his speed, I plugged in 2.998 for time 1, and 2.999 for time 2 (two separate calculations, of course), so y(2.998) = vyot - 0.5(9.8)(2.998^2). Anyways, my answer keeps ending up as 29.4 m/s, which is one of the answers on the multiple choice test review (not a graded assignment, just a past test meant for review purposes), but the correct answer is 29.7 m/s. Regardless of how small of a time interval I calculate (i.e. if I calculate the difference between Velocity at time 2.9999998 seconds and 2.9999999 seconds) I cannot figure out where this 29.7 m/s comes from.

Please advise. Thanks everyone.
 
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You're using the wrong equations. x(t) means x is a function of t. It doesn't mean multiply x times t.

How does vx, the x-component of velocity change during the 3 seconds?

How does vy, the y-component of velocity change during the 3 seconds?
 
SammyS said:
You're using the wrong equations. x(t) means x is a function of t. It doesn't mean multiply x times t.

How does vx, the x-component of velocity change during the 3 seconds?

How does vy, the y-component of velocity change during the 3 seconds?

Yes, I understand that x(t) means x is a function of t. I didn't multiply the two together. My apologies for being unclear on that.

But to answer your question, the velocity in the x-direction remains constant at 4.00 m/s throughout. So, for every second that passes the diver moves horizontally away from the cliff by 4 additional meters.

And the velocity in the y-direction begins at 0 and increases to the tune of (0.5)(9.8)(t^2). So, between t = 0 and t = 3, the change in y was 44.1 meters in the downward direction.

Perhaps I am misunderstanding your questions, though.
 
revere21 said:
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But to answer your question, the velocity in the x-direction remains constant at 4.00 m/s throughout. So, for every second that passes the diver moves horizontally away from the cliff by 4 additional meters.

And the velocity in the y-direction begins at 0 and increases to the tune of (0.5)(9.8)(t^2). So, between t = 0 and t = 3, the change in y was 44.1 meters in the downward direction.

Perhaps I am misunderstanding your questions, though.
The y-component of velocity, vy, changes by 9.8m/s every second the diver is in the air. It starts at 0. After three seconds, what is vy?

What you are finding is how much y is changing. You're not asked for that.
 
SammyS said:
The y-component of velocity, vy, changes by 9.8m/s every second the diver is in the air. It starts at 0. After three seconds, what is vy?

What you are finding is how much y is changing. You're not asked for that.

Okay, so the acceleration of gravity is 9.8 m/s2, which means that gravity causes an object to fall 9.8 meters per second, per second. Am I understanding the gist (sp?) of the point you are trying to convey?

Still, in 3 seconds the gravity would have the object moving 3*9.8 = 29.4 m/s, which is the same as the answer I was calculating (albeit in a long, unnecessarily drawn-out way). So is the answer key answer of 29.7 m/s incorrect, or am I missing something?

I appreciate your efforts in helping a dumb sophomore like myself.
 
revere21 said:
Okay, so the acceleration of gravity is 9.8 m/s2, which means that gravity causes an object to fall 9.8 meters per second, per second. Am I understanding the gist (sp?) of the point you are trying to convey?

Still, in 3 seconds the gravity would have the object moving 3*9.8 = 29.4 m/s, which is the same as the answer I was calculating (albeit in a long, unnecessarily drawn-out way). So is the answer key answer of 29.7 m/s incorrect, or am I missing something?

I appreciate your efforts in helping a dumb sophomore like myself.
29.4m/s is the y component of velocity the moment before hitting the water. The x component is still 4.00 m/s.

Now, find the magnitude of the velocity. That's the speed.
 
SammyS said:
29.4m/s is the y component of velocity the moment before hitting the water. The x component is still 4.00 m/s.

Now, find the magnitude of the velocity. That's the speed.

Oh my goodness, thank you. Can't believe I didn't catch that one. Very, very simple problem, as it turns out.

Thanks, SammyS. Awesome resource to have when my mind is fried from studying.
 

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