Final Velocity of a car with a opposing decreasing drag force

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To find the final velocity of a car experiencing a decreasing drag force over a distance of 45 meters, the drag force equation, which is proportional to the square of the velocity, must be incorporated into Newton's second law. The discussion emphasizes the need to express the motion as a differential equation, transitioning from time to position as the independent variable for easier integration. Participants guide the original poster through the steps of setting up the equation, simplifying it, and preparing for integration. The process involves separating variables and applying the fundamental theorem of calculus, ultimately leading to the calculation of the final velocity. The conversation highlights the importance of careful algebraic manipulation and integration in solving the problem.
  • #31
vbottas said:
taking one v out from both sides correct?
Yes, that's right. :smile:

Now the rest is straight calculus. Start with separation of variables.
 
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  • #32
collinsmark said:
Yes, that's right.

Now the rest is straight calculus. Start with separation of variables.
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  • #33
vbottas said:

Looks good to me so far. But move the dx to the other side of the equation. Then you'll finally be ready to integrate.
 
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  • #35
collinsmark said:
Looks good to me so far. But move the dx to the other side of the equation. Then you'll finally be ready to integrate.
should I plug in known values to the left side?
 
  • #36
vbottas said:
Perfect. :smile: Now integrate both sides of the equation. (This will involve two integrals, one on each side of the equation.)
 
  • #37
vbottas said:
should I plug in known values to the left side?
Always try to work in variables till the end. Calculate as last step.
 
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  • #38
erobz said:
Alway try to work in variables till the end.
ok! I was just worried taking the integral this many constants labeled as letters may get a bit confusing. But I'll trust you on this!
 
  • #39
vbottas said:
ok! I was just worried taking the integral this many constants labeled as letters may get a bit confusing. But I'll trust you on this!
The constants come outside the integral.
 
  • #40
collinsmark said:
Perfect. :smile: Now integrate both sides of the equation. (This will involve two integrals, one on each side of the equation.)
the bounds on the left side is 0 to 45 correct? what would my right side bounds be?
 
  • #41
vbottas said:
the bounds on the left side is 0 to 45 correct? what would my left side bounds be?
Well, you're integrating over velocity, right? How about v_f and v_0?
 
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  • #42
vbottas said:
the bounds on the left side is 0 to 45 correct? what would my left side bounds be?
One is the speed you began with, the other is variable (final velocity) leave these all variable names though. You can integrate on the left from ##x_o## to ##x_f##, and as was mentioned ##v_o## to ##v_f## on the RHS.
 
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FTC time?
 
  • #46
vbottas said:
So far so good, except you left out the A by accident somewhere along the line. But yes, that's the right idea.

Next step is algebra. Solve for v_f.
 
  • #47
Now use log rules and solve for ##v_f##
 
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  • #49
vbottas said:
Keep simplifying. Log rules on the RHS to group those terms, then exponentiate each side.
 
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  • #50
erobz said:
Keep simplifying
I can turn the rhs to ln(vf/vi) but that is the only simplificiation I see? Do you agree?
 
  • #51
vbottas said:
I can turn the rhs to ln(vf/vi) but that is the only simplificiation I see? Do you agree?
Next. exponentiation of each side.
 
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  • #52
vbottas said:
I can turn the rhs to ln(vf/vi) but that is the only simplificiation I see? Do you agree?
Try taking both sides of the equation to the power of e. (I.e., exponentiate each side)
 
  • #53
collinsmark said:
Try taking both sides of the equation to the power of e. (I.e., exponentiate each side)
oh boy its been awhile since i've done this. the rhs ln disappears leaving just vf/vi. but for the left side, does all of the left side become the exponent for e?
 
  • #54
vbottas said:
oh boy its been awhile since i've done this. the rhs ln disappears leaving just vf/vi. but for the left side, does all of the left side become the exponent for e?
Yes.
 
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  • #56
seems like it's plug in time and thats it!
 
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Wow. thank you so much. both of you, for your time and patience through this problem. I truly appreciate it. I could have hired a tutor and still wouldn't have recieved such great step by step help. Have a great rest of your day, yall deserve it! Take it easy!
 
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