Observing the sun with Newton telescope

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around techniques for observing the sun using a Newton telescope, specifically focusing on methods to view sunspots and solar prominences. Participants explore practical approaches, safety considerations, and equipment options related to solar observation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Alain seeks advice on how to observe sunspots and protuberances using a Newton telescope, expressing dissatisfaction with only seeing a bright disk or burning holes in paper.
  • Some participants recommend using a solar filter to cover the telescope's aperture to reduce brightness and enhance visibility of solar features, emphasizing the importance of safety.
  • Others argue that the projection method can be used without a solar filter, provided the telescope's aperture is small and the image brightness is manageable, allowing for the observation of sunspots.
  • There is mention of the current solar minimum affecting the visibility of sunspots, suggesting that the sun's surface may be relatively blank at this time.
  • One participant shares personal experience with using eyepiece projection and suggests stopping down the aperture to improve visibility of sunspots.
  • Another participant notes that specific solar filters are necessary for observing solar prominences, which can be costly.
  • A later reply questions the feasibility of creating a pinhole camera effect to enhance observation through the eyepiece.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of solar filters for safe observation and the effectiveness of the projection method. There is no consensus on the best approach, as some advocate for filters while others believe projection without filters can suffice under certain conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight safety concerns regarding direct sunlight exposure and the potential for damage to telescopes when using certain methods. The discussion also reflects the current solar activity cycle, which may impact observation opportunities.

Who May Find This Useful

Astronomy enthusiasts, particularly those interested in solar observation techniques and equipment, may find this discussion relevant.

Alain De Vos
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While making a projection of the sun on a paper with a Newton telescope, I’m able to see a white ball or to make burning holes in paper.
My idea however is to be able to see something more spectacular , like sunspots or protuberances.
Does someone has an ideas how to do this practically?

Thanks,
Alain
 
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You can either buy a solar filter to cover the APERTURE of the telescope (Do NOT buy ones for eyepieces) or you could try covering the aperture with a sheet of cardboard or thick paper with a cutout that is very small. This will let less light through to the mirror and reduce the brightness of the sun. Be VERY VERY careful and never look directly into the eyepiece if you do it yourself.

Without a cover or filter your telescope is acting like a magnifying glass and focusing huge amounts of light onto a small spot. Just like I used to do as a kid to those pesky insects with my magnifying glass...
 
Again, you need to get a solar filter to cover the aperture (never EVER buy ones for eyepieces). You can get several different filter spectrums to get different images of different things (the most common is Hydrogen-alpha). I suggest using a filter instead of a cover if you want to see things like solar flares, sunspots, and solar prominences.
 
You don't need a solar filter for projecting the sun's disk. First cap the finderscope, because you don't want to accidentally look into it, or have it focus sunlight on your skin. Then point the telescope at the sun, hold a piece of paper in front of the eyepiece, and move the paper so that the sun's disk is about 20 cm in diameter. Turn the focus knob unless the edge of this disk is as sharp as you can get it. If there are any sunspots, you should be able to see them. However, the sun is taking an unexpectedly long time to get out of the last solar minimum, so the surface is pretty much blank: http://spaceweather.com/

Note that the projection method is only safe with small aperture, open-tube telescopes. Don't use it with a large Newtonian, and don't use it with a Schmidt-Cassegrain of any aperture. Heat might build up and permanently damage the telescope.
 
@ideasrule: he used the projection method, but wanted to see something MORE SPECTACULAR, like sunspots and prominences.

-cpman
 
You can see sunspots with the projection method without a filter, as long as the scope isn't too big and the image too bright.
 
russ_watters said:
You can see sunspots with the projection method without a filter, as long as the scope isn't too big and the image too bright.

Yeah, I'm assuming that was the problem for the OP. He had a scope that was gathering too much light from the sun, washing out any details.
 
to see prominences you need specific solar filters they cost lots !

I have done eyepiece projection with my 8" F5 Newtonian for many many years drawing sunspots. I would stop the opening down to ~ 3 - 4 inches.

cheers
Dave
 
Yesterday, I saw a prominence with

http://www.meade.com/product_pages/coronado/scopes/pst.php .

My astronomy club has one of these, as do a number of the individual members.
 
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hey George

yeah my dream acquition for solar observing, one day when I win the lottery :)

cheers
Dave
 
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I have not a focused image of the sun. Does someone has experience if i could make some sort of pinhole-camera/camera-obsura , to put behind the eyepiece of the telescope?
 

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