Obtain the forumal of cos( theta 1 + theta2) .

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The discussion revolves around obtaining the formula for cos(θ1 + θ2) using vector representations in the xy-plane. Participants explore the relationships between the dot product of unit vectors and trigonometric identities, while addressing specific problems from a linear algebra context.

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  • One participant states that P = cos(θ)i + sin(θ)j and Q = cos(φ)i + sin(φ)j are unit vectors making angles θ and φ with the x-axis.
  • Another participant agrees that P dot Q = cos(φ - θ) but questions if the book's answer of cos(φ)cos(θ) - sin(φ)sin(θ) is correct, suggesting it may be a misinterpretation.
  • Participants discuss the manipulation of P and Q to derive cos(φ + θ) but express difficulty in finding a straightforward method.
  • One participant mentions a formula involving (P dot e1)(Q dot e1) - (P dot e2)(Q dot e2) and seeks clarification on its validity and the reasoning behind the subtraction.
  • There is a correction regarding the signs in the trigonometric identities, with participants attempting to reconcile their calculations with the book's answers.

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Participants generally express uncertainty about the correct manipulation of vectors P and Q to derive the desired formulas. There is no consensus on the validity of the book's answers or the correct approach to the problem.

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Participants note potential confusion regarding the signs in the trigonometric identities and the specific manipulations used to derive the formulas. There are also references to specific mathematical expressions that may require further clarification.

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Obtain the forumal of cos( theta 1 + theta2)...

This should be a very basic question. I'm reviewing some linear algebra for my Field theory course but there is a question that I'm suck on.

It says
(a)
Prove that
P = cos\theta i sin\theta j
and
Q = cos\phi i sin\phi j
are unit vectors in the xy-plane, respectively, making angles \theta and \phi with the x-axis.

This was easy I already did this.

(b)
By means of dot product, obtain the formula for cos(\phi - \theta). By similarly formulating P and Q, obtain the formula for cos(\phi + \theta)

My solution:
I found that
P dot Q = cos(\phi - \theta)But the answer at the back of my book says
cos(\phi)cos( \theta) - sin(\phi)sin( \theta)
I guess this is the same P dot Q, so my answer is the same as the book.But I can't seem to find a simple manipulation for P and Q to get the second formula all I can find is

(P dot e1)(Q dot e1) - (P dot e2)(Q dot e2)

Where e1 = (1,0) and e2 = (0,1)

Again the back of my book gives the expanded for of cos(\phi + \theta) so I don't even know what they are trying to say.

3) The third part says if \varphi is the angle P and Q, find |P -Q|/2 in terms of cos(\phi + \theta)

My solution


|P - Q| = (P -Q) dot (P - Q) = P2 +Q2 -2(P dot Q)
= 2 - 2|P||Q|cos\varphi
= 2 - 2cos\varphi

So |P - Q|/2 = 1-cos\varphi

Right ?

But then my book says the answer is |sin (0.5(\phi - \theta))|
So does anyone know what I'm doing incorrect ?
 
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Hi ╔(σ_σ)╝! :smile:

(have a theta: θ and a phi: φ :wink:)
╔(σ_σ)╝ said:
… I found that
P dot Q = cos(\phi - \theta)


But the answer at the back of my book says
cos(\phi)cos( \theta) - sin(\phi)sin( \theta)
I guess this is the same P dot Q, so my answer is the same as the book.

If that's meant to be cos(θ - φ), then the book is wrong. :frown:
3) … So |P - Q|/2 = 1-cos\varphi

Right ?

But then my book says the answer is |sin (0.5(\phi - \theta))|

i] |A| is the square-root of A.A

ii] 1 + cos2θ = 2sin2θ :wink:
 


tiny-tim said:
Hi ╔(σ_σ)╝! :smile:

(have a theta: θ and a phi: φ :wink:)If that's meant to be cos(θ - φ), then the book is wrong. :frown:


That is meant to be
cos(θ-\phi)

Btw I made a mistake it should be a + infront of the first sin .
i] |A| is the square-root of A.A

ii] 1 + cos2θ = 2sin2θ :wink:
I see.

I was careless. I'll try again and see what I get.
 


Is there anything else I did incorrectly ? Apart from sqr(A dot A ) = |A| ?What about the maniplulation of P and Q to generate cos ( θ+ \phi) ?
 
╔(σ_σ)╝ said:
Is there anything else I did incorrectly ? Apart from sqr(A dot A ) = |A| ?

No, √(1 - cos(θ - φ))/2 is correct.
What about the maniplulation of P and Q to generate cos ( θ+ \phi) ?

How did you reformulate P and Q for that?
 


tiny-tim said:
No, √(1 - cos(θ - φ))/2 is correct.


How did you reformulate P and Q for that?

But I can't seem to find a simple manipulation for P and Q to get the second formula all I can find is

(P dot e1)(Q dot e1) - (P dot e2)(Q dot e2)

Where e1 = (1,0) and e2 = (0,1)

Again the back of my book gives the expanded for of cos(\phi + \theta) so I don't even know what they are trying to say.

As I said previously.

Is there an easier way ?
 


Does anyone know how I can maniplulate P and Q to get cos(\phi +θ).


So far I was able to I did

(P dot e1)(Q dot e1) - (P dot e2)(Q dot e2)

Where e1 = (1,0) and e2 = (0,1)
 
╔(σ_σ)╝ said:
(P dot e1)(Q dot e1) - (P dot e2)(Q dot e2)

why minus? :confused:

(what basic formula are you using ??)
 


tiny-tim said:
why minus? :confused:

(what basic formula are you using ??)
cos ( θ+\phi) = cos (θ)cos(\phi) - sin (θ)sin(\phi)

Right ?

Hence, the minus.
 
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╔(σ_σ)╝ said:
cos ( θ+\phi) = cos (θ)cos(\phi) - sin (θ)sin(\phi)

Right ?

Hence, the minus.

That's the answer. :confused:

Why the minus in …
╔(σ_σ)╝ said:
(P dot e1)(Q dot e1) - (P dot e2)(Q dot e2)
 
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tiny-tim said:
That's the answer. :confused:

Why the minus in …

IF I take the dot product of P and e1 i get cosθ

Q dot e1 I get cos\phiP dot e2 I get sinθ

Q dot e2 I get sin\phi

Combining all of these

(P dot e1)(Q dot e1) - (P dot e2)(Q dot e2)

(cosθ)(cos\phi) - (sinθ)(sin\phi)
Sorry I don't seem to see the problem.
 

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