Occurence of fundamental mathematical constants

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the occurrence of fundamental mathematical constants within the interval of 0 to 5, exploring potential reasons for this phenomenon. Participants consider both mathematical and physical constants, examining their properties and implications in various contexts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that constants such as 0, 1, phi, e, pi, and delta appear within the interval 0 to 5 and question why this confluence exists given the infinite range of numbers.
  • One participant suggests that physical constants may also lie within this range due to the strength of interactions, particularly when using natural units where certain values can be set to 1.
  • Another participant counters that physical constants are not limited to the interval [0,5], citing examples like Planck's constant and Avogadro's number, which fall outside this range.
  • Some propose that smaller constants might be easier to discover or work with, suggesting that our perception of 'small' is influenced by the constants themselves.
  • There is a suggestion that infinite sums involving small integers yield interesting constants, with examples provided for e, pi, and phi, indicating a potential relationship between the size of numbers and the nature of the constants derived from them.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance and implications of the interval [0,5] for mathematical constants, with some asserting a connection while others argue against the limitation of physical constants to this range. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the discussion involves assumptions about the nature of mathematical and physical constants, as well as the definitions of 'small' and 'interesting' in this context. There are unresolved mathematical steps in the derivations of constants mentioned.

Loren Booda
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0, 1, phi (the Golden ratio), e, pi, delta (Feigenbaum's constant) and comparatively many other fundamental, dimensionless mathematical constants occur on the interval 0 to 5. With a potential infinity of numbers to choose from, why does such a confluence exist?
 
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For the physical constant.. perhaps they lie on [0,5] due to the strength of the interactions (weak, strong) in many cases using 'Natural units' you can set them equal to value '1'
 
Sangoku said:
For the physical constant.. perhaps they lie on [0,5] due to the strength of the interactions (weak, strong) in many cases using 'Natural units' you can set them equal to value '1'

But physical constants are in no way limited to [0,5] like mathematical constants appear to be. Just consider Planck's constant and Avogadro's number in SI units.
 
Loren Booda said:
0, 1, phi (the Golden ratio), e, pi, delta (Feigenbaum's constant) and comparatively many other fundamental, dimensionless mathematical constants occur on the interval 0 to 5. With a potential infinity of numbers to choose from, why does such a confluence exist?

Maybe small ones are easy to discover. Maybe our idea of 'small' is tied to the size of these constants (no, really -- 1 is the measure by which we count, so if it were 'larger' so would be our concept of 'small').

Maybe it's just easier to find and work with small constants -- perhaps the order of the Monster group is just as fundamental, but less has been done with it since it's so large.
 
Maybe it's because the infinite sums that start off involving small numbers like 1, 2, 3, .. or 1!, 2!, 3!, etc. yield the most interesting and general constants:

e=1+1+1/2+1/6+1/24+1/120+... approx = 2 + 1/2 = 2.5
pi= 4 - 4/3 + 4/5 - 4/7 +... approx = 4 - 4/3 = 2.66666...
phi = (1 + 1/phi) = (1 + 1/(1+1/phi)) = ... approx = 1 + 1 / (1 + 1) = 1.5
euler mascheroni gamma = (1 - ln 2/1) + (1/2 - ln 3/2) + (1/3 - ln 4/3) + ...
 
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