Odd extension: Show that if [K(a) : K] is odd, then K(a) = K(a^2)

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The discussion revolves around the field extension properties, specifically examining the relationship between the fields K(a) and K(a^2) when the degree of the extension [K(a) : K] is odd. Participants are exploring the implications of this condition and seeking to understand the structure of these field extensions.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the inclusion of K(a^2) in K(a) and the implications of the polynomial X^2 - (a^2) being irreducible. There is an exploration of the degree of the extension and its relationship to the oddness of [K(a) : K]. Some participants question the validity of the converse statement regarding the degree being even when K(a) equals K(a^2).

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and raising questions about the implications of their findings. There are attempts to find counterexamples to the converse statement, and some participants are exploring specific cases and examples to illustrate their points.

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Participants are examining specific fields, such as K = ℤ₂[X] / ⟨X² + X + 1⟩, and discussing the irreducibility of polynomials within these fields. There is an emphasis on the importance of the coefficients' origin in the polynomial expressions being considered.

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Homework Statement
Show that if [K(a) : K] is odd, then K(a) = K(a^2)
Relevant Equations
[M:K]=[M:L][L:K]
My solution:
1. ##K(a^2) \subseteq K(a)##.
2. ##a## is zero of the quadratic polynomial ##X^2 - (a^2)##, i.e., ##[K(a) : K(a^2)] \leq 2##.
3. It is not 2 because ##[K(a) : K] = [K(a) : K(a^2)][K(a^2) : K]## is odd.
4. Thus, it is 1, and hence ##K(a) = K(a^2)##.

Is this solid enough?
 
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Hill said:
Homework Statement: Show that if [K(a) : K] is odd, then K(a) = K(a^2)

1. ##K(a^2) \subseteq K(a)##.
2. ##a## is zero of the quadratic polynomial ##X^2 - (a^2)##, i.e., ##[K(a) : K(a^2)] \leq 2##.
3. It is not 2 because ##[K(a) : K] = [K(a) : K(a^2)][K(a^2) : K]## is odd.
4. Thus, it is 1, and hence ##K(a) = K(a^2)##.
Looks ok to me. I would only add that ##X^2-(a^2)\in K(a^2)[X]## since it is important where the coefficients are from.
 
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fresh_42 said:
Looks ok to me. I would only add that ##X^2-(a^2)\in K(a^2)[X]## since it is important where the coefficients are from.
Of course. Thank you.

Now I struggle with finding a counterexample to the statement: if ##K(a) = K(a^2)##, then ##[K(a) : K]## is odd.
 
Hill said:
Of course. Thank you.

Now I struggle with finding a counterexample to the statement: if ##K(a) = K(a^2)##, then ##[K(a) : K]## is odd.
How about ##\mathbb{Z}_2[X] / \bigl\langle X^2+X+1 \bigr\rangle ##? We have ##a^2=a+1## so ##K(a)=K(a^2)## and the degree is two.
 
fresh_42 said:
the degree is two
Is the degree what we are looking for? We need a dimension of ##K(a)## over ##K## to be even, but I don't even know how to find this dimension for ##K=\mathbb{Z}_2[X] / \bigl\langle X^2+X+1 \bigr\rangle##.
 
Hill said:
Is the degree what we are looking for? We need a dimension of ##K(a)## over ##K## to be even, but I don't even know how to find this dimension for ##K=\mathbb{Z}_2[X] / \bigl\langle X^2+X+1 \bigr\rangle##.
The polynomial is irreducible and prime, so ##K## is a field. ##K## is a field with four elements, i.e. a two-dimensional vector space over ##\mathbb{Z}_2## and so of degree two. It cannot be one since ##X^2+X+1## is irreducible. That the degree is therefore two is your own argument from post #1. What else could it be?

https://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Endlicher_Körper/4/Operationstafeln
 
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well, [C:R} = 2, and I bet you can find z such that R(z) = R(z^2) = C. (C = R(i), R = reals, i^2 = -1.). or adjoin a new cube root w of 1 to Q. ohh. this is fresh's example, since x^3-1 = (x-1)(x^2+x+1). i.e. w^3 = 1 implies w = (w^2)^2, so Q(w) = Q(w^2).
 
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You can also replace ##\mathbb{Z}_2## by ##\mathbb{Q}## and it still works since ##a^2=-a-1.## You can calculate the roots of the polynomial as ##\dfrac{1}{2}\left(-1\pm i \sqrt{3}\right)## and work it out explicitly. And if you want higher even degrees, consider ##X^{2n}+X+1.##
 
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