Oil & Water Film: Min Thickness of 313nm

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The discussion revolves around two problems involving thin films and their optical properties. The first problem concerns the minimum thickness of an oil film on water, while the second problem focuses on the wavelength of light transmitted through a magnesium fluoride coating on a camera lens.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the correct integer value for m in the oil film problem to determine the minimum thickness. Questions arise about the validity of the calculated thickness and whether it aligns with the observed color. In the second problem, there is discussion about phase changes upon reflection and whether the calculated wavelength falls within the visible spectrum.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants questioning assumptions and clarifying concepts related to phase changes and the conditions for maximum transmission. There is recognition of potential errors in the initial calculations, and some participants express uncertainty about the applicability of the results to the visible spectrum.

Contextual Notes

Participants note discrepancies in the problem statements and the need for clarity regarding the indices of refraction involved in the second problem. There is also mention of merging threads due to perceived duplications, which may affect the flow of discussion.

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Homework Statement


A thin film of oil (n = 1.50) is spread over a puddle of water (n = 1.33). In a region where the film looks red from directly above (λ = 626 nm), what is the minimum possible thickness of the film?

Homework Equations


2nt = (m+0.5)λ
t = (m+0.5)λ/2n

The Attempt at a Solution


t = (1+0.5)(626E-9m)/2(1.50)
t = 313 nm

Anyone please correct the solution.
 
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You are looking for the minimum thickness. Did you choose the correct value of the integer m to get the minimum thickness?
 
I think it should be zero
 
Right.
 
thanks
 

Homework Statement


A camera lens (n = 1.29) is coated with a thin film of magnesium fluoride (n = 1.71) of thickness 87.0 nm. What wavelength in the visible spectrum is most strongly transmitted through the film?

Homework Equations


2nt = mλ
λ = 2nt/m

The Attempt at a Solution


λ = 2(1.71)(87E-9m)/(1)
= 297.54 nm

Solution is not correct.
 
You failed to consider possible phase changes upon reflection.
 
I think you have the phase change due to reflection accounted for. (You want maximum transmission and hence minimum reflection.) But is your answer in the visible part of the spectrum?
 
No its not
 
  • #10
I might be overlooking something, but it doesn't appear to me that you can get an answer in the visible spectrum.
 
  • #11
TSny said:
I think you have the phase change due to reflection accounted for.
D'oh! You're right. :sorry:
 
  • #12
Oops, I merged the two threads after receiving a report that they were duplicate threads. I see now that they have slight differences in the problem statements. Sorry about that! :smile:
 
  • #13
A web search indicates that magnesium fluoride has an index of refraction of about 1.4. Glass (camera lens) is usually about 1.5. For these values you can get an answer in the visible.
 
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  • #14
Looks like the problem statement (for the visible light question) was mistaken. Where is the problem from?
 

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