On deriving response function in simple low pass filter

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The discussion revolves around deriving the response function for a simple low pass filter circuit consisting of a power source, resistor, and inductor. Participants are examining the mathematical formulation of the response function in terms of frequency and addressing potential errors in the derivation process.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a derivation of the response function H(f) = (2πR) / (2πR + iLf), based on the circuit configuration.
  • Another participant challenges the accuracy of the voltage expression for V_{out}, suggesting it may not represent the voltage across the inductor as claimed.
  • A subsequent reply proposes an alternative expression for V_{out} as V_{out} = (V_{in}ωL) / (R + ωL), indicating a potential correction to the original derivation.
  • Another participant questions the omission of the imaginary unit 'i' in the proposed expression for V_{out>.
  • A later reply acknowledges a typo and corrects the expression to include 'i', stating V_{out} = (V_{in}iωL) / (R + iωL).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the correct formulation of V_{out} and whether the initial derivation was accurate. Multiple competing views on the correct expressions remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of potential errors in the derivation process, particularly concerning the voltage across the inductor and the inclusion of the imaginary unit. The discussion does not resolve these issues, leaving the correctness of the expressions in question.

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Homework Statement


I have a problem where the circuit is as follows: (pic attached I hope) but if you can't see it it's just a power source (AC), resistor and inductor with 2 terminals across the inductor (from were you measure the voltage).

I want to derive the response function, and I am trying to see if I did something off. I am doing it in terms of frequency, rather than \omega.

Homework Equations


So I know that the resistance in an inductor is Z_L = iL\omega
Resistance from a resistor is just R

Response function H ( \omega) = \frac{V_{out}}{V_{in}}

The Attempt at a Solution



So I take the whole circuit and see these are in series. So the total resistance (Z_{total} = R + iL\omega.

That means the current in the circuit is \frac{V_{in}}{R + iL\omega }

and the V_{out} = \frac{V_{in}R}{R + iL\omega } because we are measuring the voltage across the inductor.

Substitute omega with f/2pi and we get
V_{out} = \frac{V_{in}R}{R + iL\frac{f}{2\pi} } \rightarrow \frac{V_{out}}{V_{in}} = \frac{2\pi R}{2\pi R + iLf} = H ( f)

Is there anything wrong with this? I ask because I'm doing a lab and even accounting for experimental error my Bode plot diverges a lot from the measured numbers. The shape of the curves is all good; just the one I plotted above seems moved to the right and up a bit from the values I got. Same shape exactly, tho. Not a big deal I guess, but I wanted first and foremost to make sure I did this right.
 

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Emspak said:
That means the current in the circuit is \frac{V_{in}}{R + iL\omega }

and the V_{out} = \frac{V_{in}R}{R + iL\omega } because we are measuring the voltage across the inductor.
But this is not the voltage across inductor what you wrote
 
Let me guess: it should have been V_{out} = \frac{V_{in} \omega L}{R+ \omega L}, right?
 
What happened to i ?
 
Typo. V_{out} = \frac{V_{in} i \omega L}{R+i \omega L}
 

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