Open and closed sets of metric space

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of open and closed sets within the context of metric spaces, as presented in Rosenlicht's Intro to Analysis. Participants explore the relationship between open balls and their complements, as well as the nature of subsets that are neither open nor closed.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants examine the definitions of open balls and open sets, questioning how the complement of an open ball can be classified. There is a discussion on whether all open sets can be considered open balls and the implications of subsets being neither open nor closed.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights and examples to clarify the definitions and relationships between open and closed sets. Some guidance is offered regarding the nature of open sets and their complements, but no consensus has been reached on the specific queries raised.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that there are sets in metric spaces that can be both open and closed, and they highlight specific examples, such as half-open intervals, to illustrate their points. The discussion reflects a range of interpretations regarding the definitions and properties of open and closed sets.

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Homework Statement


I am using Rosenlicht's Intro to Analysis to self-study.

1.) I learn that the complements of an open ball is a closed ball. And...
2.) Some subsets of metric space are neither open nor closed.

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Is something amiss here? I do not understand how both can be true at the same time.
 
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sampahmel said:

Homework Statement


I am using Rosenlicht's Intro to Analysis to self-study.

1.) I learn that the complements of an open ball is a closed ball.
No. The complement of an open set is an closed set but the complement of a "ball" is not a "ball". An open ball is of the form B_r(p)= \{ q| d(p, q)< r\right}. In R, an "open ball" is an open interval, (a, b). Its complement is (-\infty, a]\cup [b, \infty) which is closed but not a "ball".

And...
2.) Some subsets of metric space are neither open nor closed.

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Is something amiss here? I do not understand how both can be true at the same time.
I don't see what one has to do with the other. The complement of any open set is closed, the complement of any closed set is open. The complement of a set that is neither closed nor open is neither closed nor open. The "half open interval" in R, (0, 1], is neither closed nor open.

By the way, there also exists sets in a metric space that are both open and closed!
 
But I know that in any metric space, an open ball is an open set/ closed ball is a close set. Also, the complement of an open set is a closed set.

But then according to you,

The complement of an open ball is not closed ball.

So an open set is not an open ball?
 
There are open sets that are not open balls. For example, a set consisting of the union of two disjoint open balls is an open set, but it is not an open ball.

An open ball is a set consisting of all points less than a certain distance from a given point.

An open set is any set with the following property: no point is so close to the "boundary" that I can't center a suitably small open ball around that point, such that the ball is entirely contained in the set.

Every open ball is an open set but not vice versa.
 

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