Open cover and Finite Subcover

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The discussion revolves around the concept of compactness in subsets of the real numbers, specifically focusing on constructing open covers that lack finite subcovers. The original poster examines the natural numbers and a subset of rational numbers as examples.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to provide open covers for the natural numbers and a subset of rational numbers, questioning the validity of their proposed covers. Participants engage in clarifying whether certain sets are open and discuss the reasoning behind the proposed solutions.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance is offered regarding the nature of open sets, and there is acknowledgment that multiple approaches may be valid. The conversation reflects a collaborative effort to deepen understanding rather than reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Participants are navigating the definitions of open sets and compactness, with some uncertainty about the correctness of their proposed solutions. There is an emphasis on the density of the real number line and the implications for finite subcovers.

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Homework Statement



Show that each subset of R is not compact by describing an open cover for it that has no finite subcover.

b.) N (natural numbers)
The correct solution for this is A_n = (n-1/3, n+1/3) for all n in N. But the answer I came up with is [1,n) for all n in N. Is my answer also correct? For each x in N, there will always be a z in N such that z>x, so therefore the set [1,n) will not have a finite subcover for N.

d.) {x in Q: 0<=x<=2}
Correct solution:
A_0 = (sqrt(2), 3)
A_n = (-1, sqrt(2) - 1/n) for all n in N

I just want to confirm if my understand of this solution is correct. The reason why this works is because 1/n approaches 0 as n approaches infinity, but it never touches 0. Therefore, there will always be a space between sqrt(2)-1/n and sqrt(2). Thus, by density of the real number line, there will be a rational number in that space. Hence, we can never have a finite subcover.

I appreciate your patience. Thank you.

M


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is [1,n) open?
 
also there's no one correct solution to these problems... your reasoning for the 2nd seems good to me
 
lanedance said:
is [1,n) open?

Ah...my mistake. How about (1,n) for all n in N? Is this an open cover of N with no finite subcover for N?

lanedance said:
also there's no one correct solution to these problems... your reasoning for the 2nd seems good to me

Thank you.
 

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